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30,000 BELIEVED DEAD
Fatality estimates from the earthquake that struck border regions of Pakistan, India, and Afghanistan overnight were horrifying to begin with, and became desperately worse thoughout the day:
Fifteen hours ago: 1000 dead
Thirteen hours ago: 2000
Nine hours ago: 3000 dead, including 200 Pakistani soldiers and 400 schoolchildren from a single province.
Seven hours ago: 4000
One hour ago: 18,000
In the past hour: 30,000 dead, and, according to a government minister, the villages of Jaglari, Kufalgarh, Harigal and Baniyali completely destroyed.
We need to donate again. At least match the sums donated following the Boxing Day tsunami and Hurricane Katrina. Will post charity contacts as they are announced.
UPDATE. Mahmood points out that, adding to difficulties, the earthquake struck at a time when many in the region would have been fasting. He recommends the South Asia Quake Help site, providing news and links on aid and volunteer work.
Is it wishful thinking to hope that the same people who estimated 10,000 dead in the wake of Katrina are making these estimates? :-(
Posted by Patrick Chester on 2005 10 09 at 05:45 AM • permalinkI hope this doesn’t turn out to be another tsunami-like disaster that keeps getting worse as we learn more about it.
The more people there are packed into a small area, the more will suffer when a disaster hits. South Asia is bad like that.
Posted by Evil Pundit on 2005 10 09 at 05:50 AM • permalinkWhen the Islamic community kicks in, so will I. Until then I will only support the Hindu Indians.
Ceterum censeo, Islam delenda est.When they look after their own, I may give a shit.
What did they do for tsunami relief?
Call it lack of humanity if you will, but we are at war, and I for one do not want to be on the losing side.
Sometimes you’ve got to ask yourself “What have they done for me lately?”
RodPosted by Rocket Rod on 2005 10 09 at 07:29 AM • permalinkHang on Rod, as far as I know, we aren’t at war with Pakistan, and we are trying to REBUILD Afghanistan.
So take your pseudo-isolationalist crap and shove it.
Posted by Quentin George on 2005 10 09 at 07:33 AM • permalinkQuentin: As I said or tried to say “When the Islamic community kicks in, so will I.” As for your “So take your pseudo-isolationalist crap and shove it.” All I can say is Get your head out of your arse and use it to think for a change(do I have to say you are a wanker)
Posted by Rocket Rod on 2005 10 09 at 07:42 AM • permalinkBTW What is a pseudo-isolationalist.
Seems you are trying to be a pseudo-intellectualPosted by Rocket Rod on 2005 10 09 at 07:58 AM • permalinkOh goody, another pseudo-intellectual defending a fellow uni type. And your degree is in scatology I would assume ;-P. Following the usual head in arse pc guide. When you get an original thought, do get back to us, ‘til then just keep smoking that wacky weed.
Posted by Rocket Rod on 2005 10 09 at 08:47 AM • permalinkYou’re out of line Rod, we aren’t at war with Islam, which you seem to believe:
Call it lack of humanity if you will, but we are at war, and I for one do not want to be on the losing side.
Sometimes you’ve got to ask yourself “What have they done for me lately?”And how is donating to earthquake victims going to somehow lose us the war?
James P:
Eeerrrmm are you really that myopic or do you not see where the(your) money goes?I was going to write that for 30+years I’ve been trying to warn people about Islam and Indonesia et al. But to no avail, as the likes of Quentin, Gruntled and their friends take the view that Islam and the jihad will not affect them, and that the residents of the effected area were all fluffy bunnies. These people support AQ, IJ and every other Islamic terrorist organization, so why should we(their targets}support or help them?
If you can’t understand that you have an enemy who wants to kill you, then you will wind up as grist in the jihadist mill, the only other alternative is to fight for you very life. Instead of Bali why not go to Sulawesi next holiday or maybe Kalimantan?
Now those places I could tell some tales about. They’d sound like the twilite zone,but life is cheep in Muslim countries.Posted by Rocket Rod on 2005 10 09 at 10:01 AM • permalinkMaybe Rocket Rod is influenced by the fact that Pakistan is the home of hundreds if not thousands of madrassas churning out anti-Western Islamists. And countless people that are championing the causes of the Islamists.
He might also be thinking of the lack of bountiful and generous assistance by some (most?) Arab and Islamic countries when the tsunami struck.
But I agree with the others. Donating is the right thing to do. Even to those who may not necessarily be your friend.
Posted by wronwright on 2005 10 09 at 10:07 AM • permalinkRod, no one is holding a gun to your head making you donate anything. Quit attacking people here; it isn’t bringing anyone to your side, and only makes you look like an asshole.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2005 10 09 at 10:19 AM • permalinkActually, Arab nations did donate to the tsunami, and to Katrina. Not all of them, but several.
This is a response to a disaster, people, not a military action. Time is essential. Terrorists and their sympathizers will likely get support, but we are not at war with Pakistan, India, and Afghanistan.
So don’t get bogged down in politics. One would think that Katrina was a shining example of why not.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 10 09 at 10:22 AM • permalinkwronwright: Thanks for the sort of backhanded support. I would love to stay and chat, but work commitments and myolitic leukemia(acute not chronic) demand that I hit the sack.
Will these people wake up before the sword is at their throat?.Posted by Rocket Rod on 2005 10 09 at 10:23 AM • permalinkAndrea: To you I apologize if you haven’t or can’t understand where I’m coming from. I had friends in Bali.
Both times.
I worked in Indonesia in the 70’s. I am extremely concerned for all Aussies still in country.
Goodnight
RodPosted by Rocket Rod on 2005 10 09 at 10:52 AM • permalinkI feel terribly for the innocents who are suffering from this disaster. However, I won’t be rushing to dash off a cheque. Seeing the goodwill of the international community sit interminably on Indonesian and Sri Lankan docks - not to mention disappearing into the pockets of these (and other) nations’ corrupt customs officials - has left a permanently bad taste in my mouth regarding this kind of thing.
I’ll keep donating to my regular charity that I know uses my money effectively.
Posted by James Waterton on 2005 10 09 at 01:17 PM • permalinkMichelle Malkin has a list of earthquake relief sites.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 10 09 at 02:58 PM • permalinkPJ, it’s not tasteless at all. Indeed, it would be ironic if OBL and his cronies were killed by an act of God.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 10 09 at 03:00 PM • permalinkWell i agree with rod and not that we must save poor Alqaeda members from death dumbkopf postings above.
My money will be going to help the Hindu Balinese recover from what was not an act of GOD bur an act from a DESPICABLE section of mankind.
Or Perhaps put it this way, why mot match every cent per head of population that SAUDI ARABIA donates to its muslim brothers.
And i promise not to celebrate the event as when katrina happened and half the muslim world jumped up and down a la 911 to celebrate.Actually, Arab nations did donate to the tsunami, and to Katrina. Not all of them, but several.
As I recall, Saudi Arabia, the Gulf States, and most other Arab countries, flush with oil revenue, were very stingy with donations until the spotlight was placed on them. The implication was if they weren’t Arab people that were in need, they weren’t interested in helping. Some of these countries did finally dig a bit deeper in their pockets. But it certainly took a considerable amount of time for them to do so.
And unless I’m mistaken, I believe their help was pretty much limited to writing a check. Relatively few people and supplies were sent, at least in the first week or so that was most important.
But yes, I agree that we should take the high road and donate generously. The families that were stricken by the earthquake are not at fault for the nearsightedness of their governments.
Posted by wronwright on 2005 10 09 at 06:01 PM • permalinkearthquake - U.S. hurricanes - tsunami is catching the eye of televangelist Pat Robertson, who says we “might be” in the End Times… Earth would be caught up in.. birth pangs of a new order.
I’m sick of all these religious men, idiot Islamic Ayatollah’s to nutbar Gaia fanatics to jerks like Robertson who claim to have some sort of divine knowledge of what God is up to. Comments like those that Robertson makes are just lukewarm western variants of what the Palestinian rabble in the streets do - pump AK-47’s in the air while shouting allah akbar.
Um, not that I’m disagreeing with The Real JeffS. Especially since my name is coming up for a vote for ascension to the Inner Circle of the Death Cult. Um, I think this is my third try, but three’s a charm!
A nice word of recommendation to Karl Rove would be greatly appreciated Mr. S.
—-> :) <—- that’s my smarmiest smile
(and if any of the rest of you people in the Death Cult can put in a good word for me with Karl, George, Tony, and even Aussie John—lake removal techniques were excellent, black helicopters never looked shinier—that would be great; for those of you who aren’t in the Death Cult and have no clout, well frankly you can kiss my ass)
Posted by wronwright on 2005 10 09 at 06:23 PM • permalinkwrongwright—“Hummer maintenance, while superficially diligent, requires greater attention to detail, particularly in the area of overlooked scratches…”
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 10 09 at 06:30 PM • permalinkI’m sick of all these religious men, idiot Islamic Ayatollah’s to nutbar Gaia fanatics to jerks like Robertson who claim to have some sort of divine knowledge of what God is up to.
As a Christian I agree with you on this 13times. If it is ‘the end times’ (like it was supposed to be at the beginning of the 20th century, 21st century, in the 1980s during what we know now was the death throes of communism), I think the signs will be a little more obvious.
The Man himself said we’d be hearing of wars, rumours of wars, natural disasters, but that didn’t signify the end of the world.
—Nora [sermon over :-)]
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2005 10 09 at 06:47 PM • permalinkTim
Thanks for promising the links-I will be looking for them. I was listening to a radio report and someone from the Pakistani government was asking for something as simple as blankets. He said that many would freeze to death. They are really going to need help.
During this same radio show they were saying that they can see actual cracks in the mountainsides produced by the quake!?!?!
Has anyone else read or heard that?
If that doesn’t scare the heck out of ya.
Posted by madawaskan on 2005 10 09 at 08:09 PM • permalinkMy mother is a born again Christian so I hear about this being the End Times quite a bit. As I tell her, if it is, it is.
But I also point out that does it matter? I mean, I’m much likelier to die in the next 50 years and then I
damn wellbetter make sure my life is cleaned up and I’ve accumulated enough good deed S&H trading stamps redeemable for an eternal life in heaven.But I never was much of a believer in end times. But on the other hand, I will mention something I’ve never forgotten. In 1983 I watched a documentary by Charlton Heston about Nostradamus and his predictions. I thought it was all hooey but interesting nonetheless. But I remember three interesting predictions.
The first was that a worldwide totalitarism would end fairly soon. When the Berlin War fell six years later and the Soviet Union a year after that, I remembered the prediction.
The second prediction was that the two great powers of the north who were great enemies would become great friends. It was estimated that this would happen in the 1990’s. It was obvious the show was conjecturing that the two nations were the US and the USSR. I thought to myself no chance. And yet, it happened. Again, I thought about the predictions.
And the third one? That a scourge would rise up that would become a world battle. The West would ultimately win but it would take decades to fight it. And after the battle is won? Peace.
Posted by wronwright on 2005 10 09 at 08:10 PM • permalinkHold the phone, though.
Hugo Chavez says capitalism ‘causes natural disasters’.
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,16869358-23109,00.html
Posted by ausdiplomad on 2005 10 09 at 08:21 PM • permalinkThere have been assertions from various islamobots that their god sent the hurricanes to the gulf coast of the USA to punish the infidels.
Then our god send an earthquake to Pakistan to punish the islamobots for the hurricanes.
It would seem that our god has the bigger guns.
Also, these micro manager gods are making us redundant in our struggle for the planet.
I think we can take some time off and let the deities run the war. What do you think?Oh, hell. Why not start another fight: Revelations has already happened. The beast with the blasphemous name was Nero, and the battle of Armageddon sounds very much like Josephus’ description of the siege of Jerusalem and the destruction of the Temple. John was clear that the events of his dream would play out during his correspondents lifetimes. TV evangelists, Hellfire Revival stump preachers and other assorted con men who claim to find in Revelations predictions which are only revealed to themselves are false prophets of the worst kind.
Posted by nofixedabode on 2005 10 09 at 08:56 PM • permalinkI usually want to smack Christians when they start carrying on about how this or that event is a sign of the imminent end of all that we know (and I am a Christian). A good response (from a Christian perspective) is here http://parablemania.ektopos.com/archives/2005/10/natural_disaste_1.html.
Does anyone know of a good charity that accepts Paypal? I keep my charity money there, figure it’s faster than a check any way.
Posted by CujoQuarrel on 2005 10 09 at 09:07 PM • permalinkThere’s people in need and where is ‘so-called’ Shrubya the pRESIDENT? Probably on holidays in KKKrawford reading a book about goats or maybe plotting ways to get himself (S)elected again!
How could he have not known about this really really bad catastrophy thing?
If John Kerry was C.I.C he’d be over there with V.C the wonder dog, magic hat firmly planted on his brave noble big/long head, facing down Charlie and putting umm things much better for those people that are suffering under Bush’ Big oil hegemony and earthquakes and that. Word!Posted by Lucky Nutsacks on 2005 10 09 at 09:35 PM • permalinkI found myself hoping that OBL and his partners in crime have ended up under a collapsed mountain of mud bricks. It isn’t likely, but one can fantasize.
Aside from the human tragedy, the bad thing about this earthquake disaster is that the mullahs will be screeching that Allah is punishing Muslims for not being Islamic enough, in between blaming it on a CIA/Indian/Jewish secret earthquake-causing weapon. Pervez Musharraf will be hard-pressed to keep his government, I fear.
Duke just joined up a few minutes ago, apparently from Canada. (At least according to his IP address, which is 70.66.0.66.) He has been banned for being as asshole.
Note to anyone else who wants to join just so they can leave comments such as “I’m glad all those Pakistanis are dead,” and then insult people here: don’t bother. You’ll just be banned.
I’m serious. I’ve had it with immature creeps. If it makes you happy that old people and children have been injured and killed, celebrate in your own cave. We’re not interested in sharing your masturbatory, sick-minded experience. (Oh—this is for Rocket Rod—and writing that you took time out of your busy schedule of being ill with cancer and using your dead friends’ corpses as further argumentative tools will get you no slack here if you’ve been a jerk. Really, I didn’t say anything when Rod left his two comments because I was flabbergasted, but that’s worn off.)
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2005 10 10 at 12:23 AM • permalinkIt looks like some baddies got taken out by the quake.
Posted by Lucky Nutsacks on 2005 10 10 at 12:30 AM • permalinkYes, Duke’s sentiment is inhumane - it’s what motivates people like Osama bin Laden and his colleagues.
Posted by James Waterton on 2005 10 10 at 12:42 AM • permalink#19 If the Alvarez-Solon deportation is a catastrophe, then this must surely qualify as a really, really bad catastrophe…
Well said rebase,
Bureaucraps inflate language just to inflate themselves. They destroy language by misusing it, just like Orwell shows us.
Doesn’t anyone use a dictionary in the postmodern age? Was the mistake ‘momentous’, ‘global’?
I guess not.I kind of feel sorry for Rocket Rod - he must be very confused by the ban.
I mean, based on this site’s historical Islamobashings, his original comment was quite tame.Was there a memo (I, and obviously he didn’t get) to say talk nice when muslim children and old people are killed by natural disasters?
What a bummer, this has not been your day Rod.
Gee, orang, I guess compassion for genuine victims from certified, bloodthirsty RWDBs must confuse the hell out of you.
But, then, confusion is your normal mental state, so this comes as no surprise.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 10 10 at 02:34 AM • permalinkOh great, if the comments here hadn’t already jumped the shark, here comes orang to drop a big steaming turd in the midst of it all, just to make sure.
If we’re going to ban fuckwits like “Duke”, can’t we off orang as well?
Posted by Quentin George on 2005 10 10 at 02:44 AM • permalinkBy the way, orang, I’d just like to point out that this thread is about earthquake victims.
Your sympathizing with a confirmed asshole rather than the quake victims is just icing on the cake that you’re more interested in scoring point and flinging feces than actually doing something constructive.
In other words, you’re exhibiting typical leftie behavior.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 10 10 at 02:53 AM • permalinkIsn’t this the difference between them and us (not just the West v Islamists but also the West v our own nutjobs left and right). A terrible tragedy/natural disaster occurs the question that arises is what can I do? how can I help? not, who are they? what do they believe? what colour are they?
Yes we should expect Islamic countries to pony up but not because those who have been affected may also be co-relegionists but because it is the compassionate, humane thing to do. If they want to sit at the grown ups table then it is past time they learnt to act like members of the human race. When the house is on fire the only question is where is the water? plenty of time later to pin the blame and punish the guilty.
Posted by Just Another Bloody Lawyer on 2005 10 10 at 02:58 AM • permalinkExactly. And I’d like to point out to all the “Rocket Rods” out there that the average Muslim on the ground couldn’t give two fucking hoots about Al Qaeda, Jihad, the West or anything.
They’re too busy wondering where their next meal is going to come from and now, by the looks of it, where they are going to sleep at night.
I’m really perplexed at the people who think it is desirable (or indeed possible) to turn the War Against Terror (of if you will, War Against Militant Islam) into the War to crush each and every Muslim in the world whether they are a terrorist or not because I personally think their religion is evil
Pretty much if that’s your view, you’re standing on the same slippering moral slope as Amrozi and his ilk.
Not where you want to be, I think.
Posted by Quentin George on 2005 10 10 at 03:04 AM • permalinkRe #62, yeah, well, orang, given your inflexibility and leanings concerning real world matters, I suggest using “/sarcasm” tags in the future. Or learn to change writing styles when indulging in sarcasm.
As for your second sentence, see post #60 and #61. JABL nailed it, Quentin reinforced it. You’re still exhibiting typical leftie behavior.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 10 10 at 03:32 AM • permalink...for instance #64, other than this particular thread, point me to any of your comments sympathising with muslims - other than those who are “politically correct” (good muslims = from Kosovo, Turkey, for coalition in Iraq, Kurds, victims of other muslims)
I bow to your superior knowledge of real world matters.
(FYI, that last sentence was heavily influenced by sarcasm)
Ban ban the orang ‘A’ tang troll/bandwidth thief.
Posted by Lucky Nutsacks on 2005 10 10 at 03:58 AM • permalinkMy sympathy is for any innocent person harmed by events he/she did not cause or control. Why do you insist on qualifying by religion?
Posted by nofixedabode on 2005 10 10 at 03:58 AM • permalink..for instance #64, other than this particular thread, point me to any of your comments sympathising with muslims - other than those who are “politically correct”
Hello No True Scotsman fallacy.
Posted by Quentin George on 2005 10 10 at 05:42 AM • permalinkOrang, you seem confused. I banned Duke, not Rocket Rod. Perhaps I should have; if he comes back here and only leaves insults and bigoted remarks like Duke did I will. As for your demands that we furnish some sort of “proof” that we are up to your standard of “compassion for Muslims” or whatever your deal is, you have no right to any such thing. You’re the guest here, and so far you’ve skirted the edges of banning territory; you’ve even got a couple of readers asking for you to be kicked off. I’m of a mind to grant them their wish, since you, like all the other trolls that have visited here, have never contributed anything positive, interesting, or relevent to any discussion you’ve entered.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2005 10 10 at 06:55 AM • permalinkAndrea, you have lost the plot.
‘If it makes you happy that old people and children have been injured and killed, celebrate in your own cave.’
That is a monumentally stupid statement.
No-one here has come within light years of suggesting anything of the sort.
Sometimes, Andrea, you should totally ban yourself.
Light years ilibcc??? Try #‘s 8 & 18. In retrospect, Duke just got caught in the backwash generated by Rocket Rod’s little visit. Not that Duke wasn’t an insensitive little f**k in his/her own right.
Posted by Just Another Bloody Lawyer on 2005 10 10 at 07:45 AM • permalinkNo-one here has come within light years of suggesting anything of the sort.
Please read Rocket Rod and Duke’s posts. They pretty much did a Kos-style “Screw Em” to the victims of the earthquake.
Posted by Quentin George on 2005 10 10 at 08:09 AM • permalinkilibcc, you said light years, for f**k sake stay within your own parameters. Duke rejoiced in the death of those he styled “i-bots” which being generous could be said to refer to islamists or islamofascists depending on your preference. If bin Laden did get squished then you will not be hearing any tears from me.
Posted by Just Another Bloody Lawyer on 2005 10 10 at 09:16 AM • permalinkComment #64:
Re #62, yeah, well, orang, given your inflexibility and leanings concerning real world matters, I suggest using “/sarcasm” tags in the future. Or learn to change writing styles when indulging in sarcasm.
As for your second sentence, see post #60 and #61. JABL nailed it, Quentin reinforced it. You’re still exhibiting typical leftie behavior.
Comment #65:
...for instance #64, other than this particular thread, point me to any of your comments sympathising with muslims - other than those who are “politically correct” (good muslims = from Kosovo, Turkey, for coalition in Iraq, Kurds, victims of other muslims)
Quentin makes a good counterpoint, but I’ll make another one:
My conclusion is logically unrelated to your demand. You are just trying to move the goalposts. You jumped in on a thread (as is your habit), dropped a steaming turd, and then watched the ensuing thread hijacking.
When called on on your leftie behavior, in typical troll fashion, you demand that I prove myself sympathetic to all Muslims. That’s called “moving the goalposts”.
The original point in this thread was to rally support for the victims in several nations, which have large Muslim populations, but are not exclusively Muslim.
It’s interesting that we move from a multi-national aid plea by Tim to your demand that I prove that I have supported Muslims in general before this. Non sequitur, indeed.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 10 10 at 09:57 AM • permalinkYou know, ilibcc, I don’t know what’s gotten up your crack about me lately, but I’m getting sick of it. Your lack of reading comprehension, and your resentment at—apparently—my very existence really aren’t my problems. If you can’t act like you’re wearing big boy pants then I’ll be glad to put you in the corner.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2005 10 10 at 10:30 AM • permalinkConcerning all the speculation about the End Times:
Ye ahall hear of wars and rumors of wars, but the end is not yet. The Gospel According to St. Mark
I am reminded of one of those dotty Protestant groups that flourished in the USA during the 19th Century. They decided that the world would end on a particular day, and gathered, Heaven’s Gate style almost, to witness it. Well the big day came and nothing happened, so they decided that the world really had ended, but nobody noticed.
As for Nostradamus,puleeeeze.
Posted by Michael Lonie on 2005 10 10 at 10:44 PM • permalink
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My condolences to the people of Pakistan, India, and Afghanistan.
I’ll be looking for those charity contact, Tim. Thanks.