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“DUTY TO KILL”
The New York Post’s Andrea Peyser meets Manhattan’s Motoon militia:
The young man with the hot head calls himself Abdul lah, which he translates to mean “slave of God.” This slave is revolting, in more ways than one.
“If anyone disrespects the prophet, it’s our duty to kill him,” he said.
“One drop of Muslim blood is worth all the blood in the world.”
The man who calls himself Abdullah steeled his gaze at a non-believer.
“You insult the prophet,” he snarled, “and you will pay.”
And then this young man with no identifiable name displayed a handmade sign depicting four faces, all of them Danish. Each face bore the picture of a gun sight drawn in the middle of the forehead.
Not all of them are Danish. I’m pretty sure Peyser is talking about the sign below, featuring Australian Michael Leunig—who now finds himself the target of Muslim rage despite only insulting Jews:
You’re a marked man, Mike! And almost as ill-informed as your new enemies. From a recent interview with the doomed Melbourne scribble-pixy:
My father was a communist in the 1950s when the Communist Party was illegal in Australia.
The Communist Party was never illegal in Australia, as Andrew Landeryou notes. Stupid, but never illegal.
UPDATE. A Mozambique weekly publishes eight of the Deadly Danish Dozen, including the infamous Blast-o-Turban.
UPDATE II. Hooray for Hitler!
UPDATE III. Who was behind anti-toon demonstrations in Vancouver?
The event was organized by the group Mobilization Against War and Occupation.
UPDATE IV. The Rocky Mountain News reports happy reader reaction to its Motoon publication: “‘Thank you,’ was the consistent message.” (Via Instapundit, who writes that other papers “keep forgetting that it’s their job to tell us stuff, not to decide what we shouldn’t be told.”)
UPDATE V. Julie Burchill:
It’s a long hard struggle trying to make bleeding-heart liberals see sense. Especially when you live in a country where a sizable part of the print and broadcasting media are such guilt-ridden cretins when it comes to Islam that if they saw Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein sexually sharing their own grandmother, they’d swear the poor old lady asked for it.
Read the whole thing.
UPDATE VI. Criticism from the Prime Minister:
John Howard has strongly criticised aspects of Muslim culture, warning they pose an unprecedented challenge for Australia’s immigration program ...
“You can’t find any equivalent in Italian, or Greek, or Lebanese, or Chinese or Baltic immigration to Australia. There is no equivalent of raving on about jihad, but that is the major problem.”
CORRECTION. Communist Party never illegal? Not so, points out Mike A.:
It was briefly illegal during the first couple of years of the second world war when the Communist parties’ commitment to the Hitler-Stalin Pact lead them to opposing Australia’s participation in the war.
“My father was a communist in the 1950s when the Communist Party was illegal in Australia”
So, Mikey is a chip off the old crock. Funny how so many artistic types are socialists; what makes them think that government bureaucrats are all conscientious automatons gifted with perfect decision-making abilities? I think the phenomenon stems in part from profound ignorance, and in part from the typical bohemian’s sniffish disdain for anything as “square” as merely running a business, meeting a payroll and paying taxes. The successful entrepreneur is a national treasure; Leunig is fool’s gold (or maybe fool’s zinc; I’ve seen his work).
The guy on the left, he looks like he has a squirrel hat on. Maybe the ears are actually the arms of a guy in the background, but maybe not. A rabid squirrel? This has meaning I’d bet.
Posted by wronwright on 2006 02 19 at 11:49 AM • permalinkThe Communist Party was not only stupid. Also evil.
Posted by Susan Norton on 2006 02 19 at 11:55 AM • permalinkSo he’s traded one nutbaggish, failed ideology of his lame ass father (which has hopefully been assigned to the dustbin of history) for another destined to fail ideology of shite by throwing his lot in with these M.E. retards….
its a nice touch that after all his covert support and hand wringing, he has made it onto one of their lists of dodgy elements to take out when the revolution begins….
come to think of it, the commies use to be great ones for massacring their own just for the sake of making up their quotas of those purged…. no matter how dedicated to the cause these poor sods thought they were, it allowed upward mobility for the next level of apparatchiks by denouncing their bosses till they also eventually went into the meat grinder….
nice to see that the two loads of manure have so much in common, an ex-commie would probably feel right at home with these fanatics…
Also reading that tripe Leunig dribbled to the Socialist Review, i love this quote near the end:
I certainly hope that society can eventually recognise, reclaim and integrate its natural socialist tendency as a vibrant, enjoyable and creative way of living.
this ass is so indoctrinated into marxist dogma that he doesn’t seem to grasp that practically no (surviving) civilisation down through history has been run on a “socialist tendency” of sharing everything… its not in fact natural at all… unless your a lame and lazy mediocrity with no ambition or initiative…
thats why as sure as day follows night in every “democratic socialist republic” around the world there is a repressive secret state police designed to stop any individuals that have realised they are being duped, from agitating for change, and to stop anyone else from trying to escape across the borders to freedom and a better life… even if it means having to shoot them to get them to stay!!!
these crackpots never let reality intefere with their textbook La La land do they…..
Slave of God? Slave of Satan is more like it.
Posted by Mystery Meat on 2006 02 19 at 01:34 PM • permalink“There is no equivalent of raving on about jihad, but that is the major problem.”
Raving about jihad is not a problem, as long as that’s all they do. We can just learn to ignore their rantings, and assign them to their place among the other idiots of the world.
If, and when, they actually start to carry out their insane jihad is when it becomes a problem for us…and a much bigger problem for them, when we don’t roll over and submit to their “religion”.#12 rinardman: “If, and when, they actually start to carry out their insane jihad”
um, haven’t they already started?
Posted by daddy dave on 2006 02 19 at 02:07 PM • permalink# 12 “If, and when,...” ? Where in outer space have you been hiding during the last 40+ years? Well, maybe you are very young, but assuming you are doing the reading & writing you would have to be at least 8 years old so I will make my question: Where have you been the last 5 years?
Posted by BrendaFayBowers on 2006 02 19 at 02:18 PM • permalink#15 Well, maybe you are very young, but assuming you are doing the reading & writing you would have to be at least 8 years old so I will make my question: Where have you been the last 5 years?
Brenda, this sounds like you think things are as bad as they will ever get! If so, you are the deluded one. The jihad will get a lot worse when the raving majority joins in. Oops, I almost said “if, and when” again!
“Who else is going to fund your “effluent ideas” and praise your art as long as it promotes leftist ideas of course.”
Quite so. If the type of art produced by Leunig and others of his ilk were truly subject to the rigors of the marketplace of ideas, we’d be looking at a remainder table full of steeply-discounted junk, one step removed from the recycling plant.
“The Communist Party was never illegal in Australia, as Andrew Landeryou notes. Stupid, but never illegal.”
Not strictly speaking true. It was briefly illegal during the first couple of years of the second world war when the Communist parties’ committment to the Hitler-Stalin Pact lead them to oppossing Australia’s participation in the war.
The msm is about not telling us stuff?
I’m shocked. Not.
Bias can be found every day in what stories are or are not covered. What questions are asked (like that Saulwick poll!) and what questions are not asked.
How many denials have we heard about ABC/SBS/Fairfax bias? The same people would be happy to observe that News Ltd is biassed. Perhaps we could agree that both camps have their slant - where would that leave the deniers?How many denials have we heard about ABC/SBS/Fairfax bias?
I’m not convinced that Fairfax has a left bias. They’ve got so many openly conservative journalists. They probably do have a left/liberal-bias in their readers, though.
Posted by daddy dave on 2006 02 19 at 05:16 PM • permalinkDuty to Kill? its started already, already.
The French police arrested 13 people on suspicion of kidnapping, torturing and murdering Ilan Halimi, a 23-year-old Parisian Jew.
Halimi was found on Monday tied to a tree, naked and wounded, with burns covering all parts of his body. He died on the way to the hospital.Police officials said that the abduction and murder were apparently not motivated by anti-Semitism, but added that they have not yet discovered what led the group to commit the acts…FROM YNET.
Every time Cars are burnt, Women brutally assulted,Buildings trashed, we must immediatley take the cat o nine tails out of the cupboard and administer punishment to ourselves to exhonerate the Muslim thugs.
Wow ! this is the mindset that result form years of enlightened intellectual left bank thinking in Paris and elsewhere.
Oh but there is no antisemitism in FRANCE NON! and certainly not amongst the cherished Muslim communitythats why as sure as day follows night in every “democratic socialist republic” around the world there is a repressive secret state police designed to stop any individuals that have realised they are being duped, from agitating for change
Welcome to the Peoples Democratic Republic of Australia!
Posted by John Brown on 2006 02 19 at 05:30 PM • permalinkOh but there is no antisemitism in FRANCE NON! and certainly not amongst the cherished Muslim community
So are we sure it was Muslims, and not neo nazi skin heads?
Posted by John Brown on 2006 02 19 at 05:37 PM • permalinkIslam is the new communism.
I’m thinking the new Burn the flag pack costing $5, should include the Islamic flag with a complimentary come to the Australian University bar for a free beer and matches.
How about the Danish Croissants (french ones) been eating in protest? I love how in the background they burnt the cross in a peaceful protest against the cartoons.Welcome to the Peoples Democratic Republic of Australia!
Omigod! We never realized, man, sorry! How many of your friends have been dragged away in the night? Did you know any of the people who were run down by Howard’s tanks in downtown Sydney?
yekke putz.
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 02 19 at 05:54 PM • permalink“We think there is anti-Semitism in this affair,” Rafi, Ilan’s brother-in-law, told the European Jewish Press. ”First because the killers tried to kidnap at least two other Jews, and secondly because of what they said on the phone.”
”When we said we didn’t have Euro 500,000 to give them, they answered we should go to the synagogue and get it,” Rafi stressed.
“They also recited verses from the Koran. We didn’t know what they were saying but the police told us,” he said.
SURE that was the NEO NAZI Fascists all right!
NAH! they were racist defenders of Danish cartoonists.
YNET#32
On the French kidnapping-murder:The police have arrested a gang of Muslims who they say are the perps. The leader is still on the lam. Ilan’s father said they quoted the Koran to him while negotiations for Ilan’s ransom were going on. They killed the guy after breaking off ransom negotiations. When his father said they did not have half a million euros for the ransom the gangsters told him to go to the synagogue to get it. Apparently it did not occur to them that a Jew working in a cell telephone store was not rich. The police say that they had made six previous kidnap attempts.
Alison Kaplan Sommers has information about this at her blog.
Posted by Michael Lonie on 2006 02 19 at 07:22 PM • permalinkafter all, all property is theft.
Reminds me of the scene from The Young Ones:
VYVYAN (the Punk Rocker): Of course I’m beginning to regret it. That was nearly a full bottle of vodka! That’s £7.99 you owe me, ploppy pants.
RICK (the Commo): Oh, stop being so blinking bourgousie! All property is theft, Vyvyan.
VYVYAN: All right, then. Where’s your girlie purse?
VYVYAN: [takes Rick’s coin purse, removes some money] Ha ha! Found it!
RICK: You put that back! That’s my personal property!
NEIL (the Hippy): You just said all property is theft, Rick.
RICK: Well, yes, it is.
VYVYAN: Yeah, so I’m nicking it.
RICK: Stop! Thief! Thief!
ML
thanks for that link and the LGF.
Watch the French Pols go into damage control on this horrific murder.
France must blame itself for the marginalisation of Muslim youths denied the right to education and employment, etc etc.
Perhaps Sarkosy will spout a few true words and get castigated for them.Note that these kidnappers-murderers were welfare cases living in the banlieues. What a pity the French have retired Madame la Guillotine.
Concerning Leunig, has anyone figured out why those nutjobs put his face on their sign inciting to murder? Sounds like an own goal for the nutjobs to me.
So Leunig is a chip off the old Communist bloc, eh? Doesn’t surprise me.
Posted by Michael Lonie on 2006 02 19 at 07:56 PM • permalinkAs pointed out by Mike A (#24), the Communist Party of Australia was indeed illegal at one time.
“Because of its defeatist policies and disruptive activities, the CPA was declared illegal under the Australian National Security (Subversive Associations) Regulations on the 15th of June 1940.”
The ban was lifted in December 1942 after the government was satisfied that our Communists were no longer aiding the Nazis!
The quoted paragraph is from “Breaking The Codes” - Australia’s KGB network, by Desmond Ball and David Horner.
Like most hard core lefties, Leunig lives in his own private fantasy world constructed entirely out of beliefs—facts have no chance of entering.
Leunig, in his interview for the Socialist Review, identifies the key reasons for creating his political cartoons: he draws so he can tap and vent the deep, stirring - but hitherto unacknowledged - political attitudes and moral choices of his own, and of his circle:
“I also listen as much as I can to others so I can express their feelings as well. I think the traditional role of the cartoonist or artist is to express what is otherwise repressed and kept down.”
So, Andrew Bolt is absolutely right when he writes (17 Feb 06) about Leunig’s fans that they are, actually, the worry much greater that the cartoonist himself, for they are passionately “adoring a man who seems in hatred with humanity and its works, finding peace only in a cult of nature.”
it seems that Leunig has found God, so he cannot be a communist. His attitude to Jews appear to be one of a herd of sheep who “have lost ther way” and are not worthy of self determination on their own land intil they recognise their deicide.
perhpas he could use a few in his Paddock? He could then at the crack of dawn deliver poetic inspired sermons over the fence.Of course, Murph, leunig is too much of a caward to attack those who could fight back.
and which of his like minded freinds will now stand by him as he faces threats of fatwas like the superb Hirst Ali, who is next to him on the placard?
The “caring iranian Journalist” he describes, must have started work on the poster as soon as he put the phone down!#46 thanks for the detail on the communist party being illegal. Of course it was made illegal then because it was effectively helping Hitler by sabotaging Australia’s war production. Perhaps Leunig was mistaken when he refrred to his father’s membership of the CPA in the 1950s and was actually referring to the earlier period when it supported Hitler’s war effort.
Bin Laden press release - ‘US in barbaric acts’
Who writes his material anyway? Ant Loewenstein?Posted by Lucky Nutsacks on 2006 02 19 at 08:48 PM • permalinkLeunig writes:
. “I also grew up surrounded by migrants - people who’d been through the Second World War and were traumatised refugees.
My school was 60 percent migrant European - Polish, Russian, German, English and Irish - who had come to Australia as a consequence of the war.”
The Communist Party of Australia line at that time was that any refugee/migrant who said he/she was a victim of Stalinism, Stalin’s successors and acolytes, and/or gulags, was a lying fascist-sympathiser rightly condemned by their Communist regimes.
The CPA mainstream enthusiastically backed the Soviet tanks in Hungary and Prague.
Leunig apparently failed to ask the right questions as he mingled with those Polish and Russian refugees. That doesn’t matter, he was just a kid, but to still talk proudly of his Communist-influenced youth????In India, a politician in the nation’s largest state has offered an $11 million reward for the killing of any of the Danish cartoonists “who dared to make the caricature of the Prophet,” according to Indian news media reports published Saturday. The state government official, Haji Yaqoob Quereshi, made the announcement at a rally in the north Indian town of Meerut after Friday Prayer.
State officials said he would not face charges because he was articulating his personal opinion.
Has everyone gone nuts ? this completely defies all logic and common sense.
re #51: Communists in Australia were gaoled sporadically post-war for sedition and other charges.
CPA general secretary Lance Sharkey, was convicted in 1949, for sedition,
over the following words:
“If Soviet Forces in pursuit of aggressors entered Australia, Australian workers
would welcome them. Australian workers would welcome Soviet Forces
pursuing aggressors as the workers welcomed them throughout Europe when
Red troops liberated the people from the power of the Nazis. I support the
statements made by the French Communist leader Maurice Thorez. Invasion
Australia by forces of the Soviet Union seems very remote and hypothetical to
me. I believe the Soviet Union will go to war only if she is attacked and if she
is attacked I cannot see Australia being invaded by Soviet troops. The job of
Communists is to struggle to prevent war and to educate the mass of people
against the idea of war. The Communist Party also wants to bring the working
class to power but if Fascists in Australia use force to prevent workers gaining
that power Communists will advise the workers to meet force with force.”Red Diaper Doper Baby
The children of leftist intellectual baby boomers, raised from birth on Marxism and a drug tolerant environment, and now in places of political and intellectual influence.While we prattle on about how western tolerance requires us to doff our caps to the fascist political ism of the twentieth first century because our media, intellectual and political establishments are frozen by the claim that it is a religion, it is business as usual for Al_Qaeda.
Nibras Kazimi of talismangate reports on Romeo & Juliet; a Jihadist Interpretation called Fatima’s Fiancé. In brief Fatima is locked up in Abu G by the Americans where she dies from mistreatment. Our hero is Abu Mu’awiya Al-Shamali who asks God to marry him off to the dead Fatima. Our hero sets forth to blow himself and American soldiers up, declaring his explosives to be Fatima’s dowry.
Why business as usual, the background chant of
“Oh nymphs of Eternity, the martyr has arrived for you, blanket the earth with flowers, and give him happiness.”
Unclear whether Abu will get both the heroine and the nymphs.
Undeterred by cartoons that mock the virgins story, they rightly judge that there is still a market for the sexual fantasies of repressed Islamic youth. Mind you according to Michael Yon the average Iraqi suicide bomber gets an evening of “ladies” prior to blowing himself up. To give him a taste of future eternal delights?
Sad when it may be the case, according to some scholars,that the translation from Aramaic to Arabic might have misread luscious objects as maidens when in fact the Aramaic word was for grapes.
On a more serious note Nibras has this to say about this peculiar production,
“One can be glib and poke all sorts of fun at this perverted necrophilia, but this sort of pathos must be closely studied. I don’t even understand how Al-Qaeda thinks that this sort of plot is even remotely Islamic: a living man asks God to betroth him to the soul of a woman who is already dead? Is there any legal religious text would allow such a thing to happen, or even be contemplated? Isn’t it sort of blasphemous to cast almighty God in a propaganda production as a matchmaker? And does this fictional Fatima character have a say is accepting Abu Mu’awiya as her spouse?
This video is an incredible revelation in the “sex sells” annals of jihadist marketing.”
And our media and politicians tell us we shouldn’t mock their religion.
This guy is fun. Read too of the saga of Abdul-Sadeh a professional mutayirchi who has escaped to an unknown destination with his birds to save them from execution in Iraq.
http://talismangate.blogspot.com/
The west has lost the plot. “If anyone disrespects the prophet, it’s our duty to kill him,”, yeh right, actually means if anyone resists our politics they will be killed. Islam itself has made Mohammed the joke.
What a woman, Julie Burchill!
Published in Ha’Aretz (Israel’s “Evening News”), she naturally came in for the “whinging Jew” responsa from ragheads and liberals (Jews among them) and other pond scum.
Firstly, just for the record, J Burchill is not Jewish.
Secondly, what she is writing about is a very British issue, highly relevant now, and not about the Israel/Pal conflict, the Iraq War, Iranian nuclear ambitions, etc.
It’s also as much about the over-PC, liberal Brits/Brit, democrap American/US, liberal Australian/Australia media who can`t see the wood for the trees- that there is a very real social/cultural chasm that needs to be addressed.
So thirdly, I`m glad someone had the courage to write this- about the fanatics/fanaticism- because it IS a social problem.
This is just a guess, but the reason it’s in Ha’Aretz is no newspaper in UK wanted to publish it.
A brilliant piece of writing—it is not a rant (despite the laugh-out-loud excerpt that Tim published which encouraged me to read the whole article, but a reasoned and timely sounding of the alarm that this has just gone to far.
They’ve got the photos, the CCTV, the video—why don’t they round the bastards up and send ‘em to Gitmo as enemy combatants?
Do the crime, do the time.
Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 02 19 at 09:33 PM • permalinkWhy can’t these guys just stick to some harmless pastime like collecting fruit labels?
Hurray for the Rocky Mountain News!!
I guess they haven’t received the visit from the CAIR boys—or they did and they told them to sod off. Welcoming your new CAIR overlords
Howard has more guts than the combined editors of Oz.
The Latham party imploding, Howard on top, how can it get better?Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 02 19 at 10:10 PM • permalinkBig Pharoah discusses a malady identified by sandmonkey.
Patient said that whenever he sees a cartoon, he gets the feeling that he wants to “burn an embassy, burn a flag, and get himself killed by anti-riots police.” He also stated that his eyes turn red and his veins pop out at the sight of danish pastry.http://bigpharaoh.blogspot.com/
Now, is it just me, or is it weird that more people died over these cartoons in the past 2 months than over the Bird Flu “epidemic”? Hell, I think the cartoon fatalities are about 3 times those of the Bird Flu in 2006 so far. Shouldn’t that make it an epidemic all by itself? I mean, it has higher fatality rates, and it spreads really really fast. It should be classified as an epidemic, right?
We shall call it the Muslim Cartoon Syndrome epidemic. MCS for short.
CPA general secretary Lance Sharkey, was convicted in 1949, for sedition,
over the following words:
“If Soviet Forces in pursuit of aggressors entered Australia, Australian workers
would welcome them.Percypup — And what had just happened in 1948…?
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 02 19 at 11:23 PM • permalinkSpeaking of offensive cartoons, how about this gem (as listed on the urban legends verification site, snopes.com):
And, while I have you, how come the media don’t publish more stories like this one (also via snopes.com):
Posted by Mr Snuffalupagus on 2006 02 19 at 11:34 PM • permalinkThe guy on the left of the photo looks vaguely Jewish to me, the bloke on the right just looks like he got off the crack pipe.
If I was a policeman (and I am not)keeping these protestors on the straight and narrow, I would somehow provoke these wankers into doing something for me and my mates to absolutely pummle the shit out of them. Pork chops and a flashboard of the cartoons come into mind. (maybe my thinking is that of a redneck juvenile, but hey it is my freedom of expression)
Posted by artful-dodger on 2006 02 19 at 11:42 PM • permalink#54 I read that it was a Pakistani who offered the millions. One would hope that the money didn’t come out of the earthquake aid money.
We had a devout commo in our family , work shy ,he always declared that everyone , according to commo rules, was equal, all money should be equally distributed but no one ever told him that according to commo heirarchy, some was more equal than others.Wonder what the demonstrators think about these t-shirts - freely available from a popular US t-shirt website:
and, worst of all:
WARNING: This site has shirts that are guaranteed to offend just about everyone. You have been warned! :-)
Posted by Mr Snuffalupagus on 2006 02 20 at 12:17 AM • permalink# 75 sometimes it can go either way, someone either will laugh at the absurbtity of it or they are going to go apeshit. Personally I nearly fell off the chair laughing
Posted by artful-dodger on 2006 02 20 at 12:32 AM • permalinkHasn’t Howard already said all of this, but about Asian immigrants instead? At the time, he told us we had never seen a greater problem. We were shit-scared. Gangs, drugs, a different way of life, failure to assimilate, hatred of police, ethnic enclaves, a threat to the white population’s dominance. What happened? Just more electoral “doom and gloom”, I guess.
The dusky chick beside Leunig is also not Danish. She is Dutch MP Ayaan Hirsi Ali, of Somali extraction, and in hiding due to her opposition to radical Islam.
Oops, just checked up-thread and saw the same scoop. Well, no extra charge…
Posted by The Sanity Inspector on 2006 02 20 at 12:40 AM • permalinkMarshallD —“you’re gonna need a bigger sign…” Roy Scheider, Jaws
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 02 20 at 01:21 AM • permalinkPercypup — In 1948 the Russians ran their tanks over the workers in East Germany. Those damned East German aggressors…
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 02 20 at 01:23 AM • permalinkAnd didn’t Australia inherit a lot of Polish “aggressors” in the late 40’s?
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 02 20 at 01:28 AM • permalinkThe commies were rolling their tanks over workers or citizens that routinely during the cold war, its easy to get confused about exactly what act of repression someone may be thinking about…
of course 1948 was the year when Stalin tried to starve West Berlin into submission and would have succeeded if it hadn’t been for the Berlin airlift that the allies mounted…
which was probably roundly condemned by the then lefty fruitcakes of that era as just another fascist act to delay the onset of the Socialist Eutopia for the adoring masses, even if they didn’t know what was good for them…. same reason they had to build a wall to fence their people in eventually…
#86 Casanova
which was probably roundly condemned by the then lefty fruitcakes of that era as just another fascist act to delay the onset of the Socialist Eutopia for the adoring masses, even if they didn’t know what was good for them…. same reason they had to build a wall to fence their people in eventually…
I’m willing to bet that you’re exactly right - not much changes, does it? As Friedrich von Schiller said, “Against stupidity, the very gods themselves contend in vain.”
Posted by Mr Snuffalupagus on 2006 02 20 at 02:27 AM • permalinkAnother drive-by-trolling by Dreamboat’s best bud, “dirtbikeoption”.
Oh, and look - the SMH is already starting to throw around the term “dogwhistle”.
*Sigh*
Posted by Quentin George on 2006 02 20 at 02:56 AM • permalinkand just like back in cold war, the mussies of today have learnt to twist the facts back to front to serve their purpose and then just keep repeating it ad nauseum… even if as back then, their ramblings do only work to convince the most feeble minded in our societies (which can be an uncomfortably high percentage unfortunately…)
while obviously being the aggressors/oppressors, the east germans in a classic piece of 1984/double speak called it an “Anti Fascist Protection Barrier” to presumably keep all the baddies out who were flocking over to undermine their wonderful socialist eutopia????
so making out they were the victims even as they were giving their border guards the orders to shoot to kill anyone who just wanted a bit of freedom… and to repress their people…
it seems the mussies with their RoP rantings, seem to also adhere to that old commie concept of if your gonna tell a lie to hoodwink most of the people, u may as well make it a real whopper!!!!
Well, John HoWARd’s comments about muslim extremists is all over the news. I thought what he had to say was quite mild. Of course, it would be nice if he was a bit more forceful, but that would be provocative.
I note also that the usual suspects are out in force. Ameer Ali was on the noos saying that JH was out of line, and that the extremists should just be ignored and they’ll go away.
I don’t think I need to say anymore.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 02 20 at 03:21 AM • permalinkMan, this whole cartoon saga is becoming like Star Trek; it just keeps getting worse and worse and just when you think that it can’t go on any longer, a new episode comes out. In that vein:
Episode 198 - The Saga Continues
Posted by Mr Snuffalupagus on 2006 02 20 at 03:42 AM • permalinkI saw him on the news too and you could perceive the trepidation he was feeling at saying THE OBVIOUS!
Note that at skynews 91% of respondents agreed with Howard’s statements! :-)
As for Asian immigration - see The Australian Editorial about that. The writer says that while the asian comments (in the 80s) were a mistake, these ones AREN’T.
The only unfortunate thing is that now many of that 9% will try and discredit him because of his 1980s asian remark.
So our Muslim weirdo’s are outraged, excuse me but you can fly airliners into buildings in the name of Islam. Burn churches, shoot innocent children in the back in Beslan, to name but a few atrocities amongst many perpetrated in the FUCKING name of Islam. I am outraged. Some days I would not be unhappy to see a Mushroom cloud over anyone of these Muslim Hellhole cities. Or have they dragged me down to their level?
Oh well, I guess he can always move to Iran after he gets out…
David Irving gaoled in Austria
Posted by Mr Snuffalupagus on 2006 02 20 at 04:07 AM • permalink# 65 Anyone else having probs accessing LGF?
I’ve been getting this message for the last week:
“The connection was resetThe connection to the server was reset while the page was loading.”
It’s the only site on the net that I have that problem with.
Tried Google looking for a solution, but no Joy.
Weird.I see some Mohammetan spokesperson is now pointing to Captain Francis de Groot of the New Guard as an example of Australian extremism.
De Groot cut the ribbon to open Sydney Harbour bridge ahead of Premier Jack Lang.
Do our Mohammetan friends really see using a sword to cut a ribbon as equivalent to using a sword to cut off heads?
Posted by Susan Norton on 2006 02 20 at 04:39 AM • permalinkRegarding Howard’s 1980 comments about Asians versus today’s Islam comments. We must not forget that ‘Asian’ Immigration refers to a RACE, not a religion. ISLAMIC Immigration refers to people who believe in the ideology of Islam. Islam is NOT a RACE! Muslims come in all colours and from all countries and backgrounds. We must remember this when defending Howard’s stance.
DBO Yes gangs.
Yes Cabramatta.
However the Sth Vietnamese were our allies and were great migrants,working two or three jobs,learning our language and getting very little assistance from government.
They generally have adopted the Australian sized family and if they have a religion it is usually Christianity.
The children of minority groups are often lost between two cultures,but hopefully they intermarry so we all will become bitsers on the same scale but at all different places.Sounds fine to me.
We want to retain the laws and customs that enabled this country to be such a great place to live.They are based on the Anglo model with some Irish irreverence to lighten it a bit,some Scots stoicness and restraint.All Strayans ask is that people be happy and join in the mix so we can all live together in peace and harmony,no matter what colour or shapes we are.
People who deliberately set out to clone us in a monocultural mode with sharia law are not welcome. Incidentally apparently something like 60% of Strayans have some Aboriginal blood.We are the melting pot the left yearns for but refuses to acknowledge-probably because so many in the media are white, middle class and refuse to move over till they die -and let newcomers in.#96- burrah. The LGF people know about the problem - you need to get to the site to read the fix for it.. somehow.
Posted by Lucky Nutsacks on 2006 02 20 at 05:22 AM • permalink#97Brett, I agree. Ideally all discussion should be repressed so that we don’t offend. Maybe they’ll go away.
/sarc#103blogstrop they’re probably saying it’s both.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 02 20 at 05:41 AM • permalinksl o/t Big (trousers down) Mal preaches to the converted about negotiating with Hamas..
“If the West does not negotiate with Hamas it will lose all credibility in the ME peace process….”
Who was he preaching to?
The converted,a writers conference.
Come on Mal just leave this mortal coil already..
you know it makes sense..Seen in today’s The Australian:
Cuba voted with Syria and Venezuela against plans by the International Atomic Energy Agency to report Iran to the UN Security Council over its nuclear program. Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has just announced he will visit Cuba in September to express his gratitude to Fidel Castro, a perennial troublemaker for the US.
Be a damn shame if his plane crashed on the way in . . .
Posted by Oafish and Infantile on 2006 02 20 at 06:09 AM • permalink#101 Crash. Yes, I work with a 2nd generation Vietnamese guy who married an “Aussie girl” (ie non asian!). Loves cricket, barbeques, the whole works. There was some antipathy within the wider family (not from his parents) when the marriage was announced, but he told these particular relatives to pull their racist heads in…
The Vietnamese Mafia seems to have settled down, but then it was never a direct threat to the wider community.
All in all, the Viets have proved to be a great asset.
Narnian, race or religion, it doesn’t matter. Howard in both instances refers to a threat from another group, defined by its views or attitudes or culture or whatever.
You can’t say that “Asian” is a race, after all. How many ethnic groups do you think would fall within that category? Just as many groups fall under the umbrella of Islam - Turks, Somalis, Indonesians, Pakistanis, Afghanis, Lebanese.
My point is that Howard has already used this kind of talk to make us all afraid of someone else. The someone else has just changed a bit to suit the current climate.
Murph, your ability to engage never ceases to amaze me.
#111 KK, I watched MediaWank for the first time in ages, and have to agree. I saw the original piece on TT that apparently portrayed the lebs in a bad way. I don’t know how - there was no way that what they said could be edited to look good from a skippy point of view.
As for Alan Jones ‘inciting violence’.. he was just saying what plenty were thinking or whispering. I also liked that ACMA had a whole three complaints about him. They probably all came from MediaWank.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 02 20 at 08:00 AM • permalinkand of course the issue of race is different to religion…. in the asian debate, howard was only talking about raw numbers, as in there are too many coming… now u can agree with him or not, people will have different views and they did at the time about whether the australian population and economy could integrate that many new comers that quickly….
but race is still a fairly benign influence on a person…. the amount of melanin in your skin doesn’t make u good, bad or otherwise… its something people are powerless to effect in terms of where they came from…. and so is probably not a good factor solely to make judgements on a persons character….
now religion or ideological beliefs are a much more complex category in terms of they’re not something your born with and u can’t help it…. and they can be very destructive and the people that hold some of these extreme views usually want to impose or spread them to others… the asains that emigrated here didn’t want to force the rest of us to be asians did they??? race is not something that u can force on another person, so there’s an obvious difference…
and frankly u can usually identify certain groups that hold sets of beliefs (which once again they have usually taken up of their own free will from which u can then judge them) and decide that group is not one that you want in your country becoz they will usually only promote intolerance and trouble… radical muslims is one, neo nazi’s and the KKK are probably another….
so to say that race (or ethnic background) and religion are exactly the same thing is actually quite stupid… and i see most of the Australian people would support this, as they are supporting the PM’s current stance….
From the link at comment #61:
The panel answered many questions and agreed to review the practice of using expressions such as, ‘Muslim terrorists,’ or ‘Islamic fundamentalists.’
Of course they did. These expressions are what is known as tautologies - like “round circle” and “wet water”. The correct terms are simply “terrorists” and “fundamentalists”. It’s immediately obvious what religion they are.
Posted by The Mongrel on 2006 02 20 at 08:07 AM • permalinkWell, Howard was essentially echoing - as politicians are want to do - a community perception in the 80s that immigration from Asia was “too high” - this being the tail end of the boat people influx from Vietnam. It was a common concern amoungst both Labor and Liberal supporters at the time, which was heavily reinforced by the influx of the Vietnamese Mafia along with the immigrants.
It transpired that the Vietnamese Mafia were more enemies of there own people than of the wider community, and that issue turned out to be not such a problem for Australia. And generally, the Vietnamese have integrated well. But that is in hindsight.
The thugs in the Muslim community seem to be an altogether different matter…
race or religion, it doesn’t matter
That’s what people like you would like us to believe. Well I am white as they come and I am an exmuslim myself. I converted 20 years ago for my then husband. Islam is a set of beliefs, NOT a race. You are not born with this set of beliefs therefore you can change them thru debate and dialogue. Any religion with a Paedophile murderer as a prophet definitely deserves scrutiny. Go and read the Koran and hadithes for yourself before you start inadvertantly defending a repressive ideology based on a criminal’s war crimes. And learn about Taqqiya as well ;-)
Back in hte eighties, Howard’s controversial statement was:
“I wouldn’t like to see it (the rate of Asian immigration) greater. I’m not in favour of going back to a White Australia policy. I do believe that if it is—in the eyes of some in the community—that it’s too great, it would be in our immediate-term interest and supporting of social cohesion if it were slowed down a little, so the capacity of the community to absorb it was greater.”
Make of it what you will, goodness knows many have. Personally, I think that a very dark slant was placed on his statements. His actions when he actually has had the immigration lever pretty much show the lie of his detractors.
And yeah Howard said that about asian immigration, as is the right of a public official to voice some concerns by their constituents… and have a guess what, the Libs didn’t get elected and he eventually lost his job as opposition leader….
so the Australian people are not all dupes under the control of howard and his bag of devilishing cunning and devisive political tricks…
they can see when the writing is on the wall, and his comments here are only reflecting the concerns of many of the Australian people (reflected by their approval of them in polls), no matter how many of the intellectual elite and muslim lobby groups want to jump up and down and accuse him of being a fascist and claiming where one step away from the reintroduction of concentration camps etc….
Some of the most ardent pro-democracy immigrants of the 1970-80’s are Vietnamese, Lao and Cambodian. I worked with Asian folks who survived the killing fields. Their children did indeed get caught between cultures and had a very difficult time walking the line between old world parents and the new host country - America (peace be upon her) in this case.
Some of the first generation kids fell through the cracks of American society which ended up generating a bad image of post Vietnam war Asian immigrants as a whole.
I have no idea if Howard used that unfair image of Asian folks to generate political support or not, if he did shame on him. You need to provide a link to his statements DBO.
Howard has already used this kind of talk to make us all afraid of someone else.
I’m only afraid of people like you who flip on the television set and watch 20 embassies burn - then login to the Internet to tell others that Islam is peaceful and poses no threat to secular societies.
Not to mention tries to divert the topic to a politician’s statement about some unrelated issue. Thread hijacking gets you banned, DBO.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 02 20 at 09:21 AM • permalinkand Bully Connully seems to have had a “road to Damascus” moment too,rhapsodizing on the non racism of Aussies and their fairness in general.
Doesn’t extend to John Howard though.
Much use of the f word with Andrew Denton applauding from the sidelines..as for Mediawatch-
a so called senior journalista,Attard studiously steered around the Leunig in the living room.How she could have explained the prescence of an anti semitic cartoon on the MW site anyway,let alone the theft and republishing of it in a competition?? Let alone that it was an abc employee who stole it.
She attacked and shredded several other media outlets but managed to temporarily bury her conscience -to her eternal shame and that of the abc.Hey Mon that was your ‘bowling under arm” moment—
Never call yourself a journalist again.
Hypocrite.liar,traitor..yes, i watched bully’s interview and it wasn’t going so bad till he started laying into John… not sure he knows much about our political scene, but his preferred option would be???
by the way he was mouthing of, i guess Mark “Troppo” Latham would be a bit more of a potty-mouthed larrikin that bully could probably relate to….
good example of why u don’t let comedians (or know-it-all artistes in general) choose your leaders….
I am not bloody afraid of Muslims.
My fear stems directly from Multicultural apologists like DBO who are stuck on stupid. DBO is mired in the multiculti world that predates 911. At every turn he wags his finger at multicultural apostates and decries them as sinners to moral relativism then brands them with the letter F. His faith is a ever changing code of moral equivalency, and that code can be changed as easily as a pair of burkenstock sandals.
Whats up with these guys, they claim that knuckle-dragging mouth breathing conservatives lack the nuance to understand the deep thoughts of people like Leunig, but they can’t see that when a group of people bound by a religion -Islam- go absolutely nuts over some silly ass drawnings of Mohammed that something is wrong in Denmark, and it ain’t the fetid smell of burning cheese.
Percypup — 1953. I sit corrected. Of course, since by ‘48 the USSR had already imposed Communist dictatorships on the Baltic States, Poland, Rumania, Bulgaria and Czhechoslavakia, a reaonable person might have considered Communist the Dogma of Peace of its day…
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 02 20 at 11:17 AM • permalinkYes, they had their plans all laid out, Asia was going to go the way of Eastern Europe, as well as the other third world countries, while the fifth column communist parties in our western countries were supposed to undermine and stab us in the back at every opportunity…
we were all going to have one of those East German Trabi abominations parked in the garage, while we vacantly mouthed slogans about how much we enjoyed life…. if we knew what was good for us anyway….
and as i’ve written before, the mussie fanatics are probably the bigger crazies that would lop your turnip off and mutilate people in all sorts of ways, without a second thought… but its the fifth colunist moral-relatavist, hand-wringers amongst us that undermine and weaken us which present the greatest danger…
the outside fanatics can only hurt us, if we surrender it will be becoz we defeated ourselves…..
66—I am American, so I doubt I qualify.
And while I always say that if God, Fate or Coincidence (insert your belief system here) did not make me born American, I would have wanted to be born Australian. You must love a country whose #2 patriotic song (after the nationl anthem) is about a guy who steals a sheep and then commits suicide rather than get arrested.
“Be a damn shame if his plane crashed on the way in . . . “
#107 that was so funny my wife got out of bed to give me a serve because I am laughing so much and woke her up….
goodgreat onePosted by artful-dodger on 2006 02 20 at 01:01 PM • permalinkturn this problem around for one moment, how many “other” countries in this world eg. Singapore are letting the local followers with fundamentalist Islamic view on their religion get away with the crap that has been going on…......NONE. Singapore is a blend of races and religions more or less than anywhere. Maybe a protest did take place there but it didn’t make page one. Well if it can be done in Singapore then I believe it can be done in Australia, let the nutters take it to the web and not to the street, that way they would have to photoshop everything to say they had a riot somewhere
Posted by artful-dodger on 2006 02 20 at 01:18 PM • permalinkJust to let you know if the above doesnt make sense is that I am ratarsed after having a beautiful meal and a couple bottles of The Jump Stump shiraz at a mates place
Posted by artful-dodger on 2006 02 20 at 01:21 PM • permalinkBomber blows himself up by mistake
From correspondents in Jalalabad, Afghanistan
February 21, 2006
A SUSPECTED suicide bomber blew himself up prematurely near a main road routinely used by government officials and foreign troops in eastern Afghanistan, police said today.The man was blown to bits and only his leg and hat were found at the scene after the blast in eastern Nangarhar province yesterday, provincial police spokesman Ghafor Khan said.
“Our investigations show that a suicide bomber wanted to get to the main road and, just before that, explosives strapped to his body went off due to some malfunction ahead of time and tore him into pieces,” Mr Khan said.
obviously the bloke didnt go through a thorough tool box meeting or a proper Job safety analyis prior to commentment of him activities. Does he still get the 71 virgin if he fucked his job up?
Posted by artful-dodger on 2006 02 20 at 01:29 PM • permalink45 Michael Lonie
What a pity the French have retired Madame la Guillotine.
For THESE assholes, it’s a pity the French have retired the auto-da-fe.
Posted by Stoop Davy Dave on 2006 02 20 at 01:39 PM • permalinkProfessor Keith Windschuttle in a fine op-ed in today’s The Australian
Howard, cultural warrior
By standing up to radical Muslims at home, the Prime Minister is a role model for other Western leaders...Until now, the Western response [to Muslim violence and threats thereof] has consistently been to raise one more white flag in the surrender of Western cultural values that we have been making since Khomeini’s fatwa against Rushdie in 1989.
That is why Howard’s statement yesterday is so remarkable. In Europe, comments like that have seen government ministers in several countries condemned by their colleagues. Some have lost their jobs. Howard’s comments may signify that a line has finally been drawn in the Western political mentality.
Posted by walterplinge on 2006 02 20 at 04:54 PM • permalinkThe ABC just never gets it. Such strange timing prattle Fran and Michele. Michelle did say well the comments were made before Cronulla and current issues, but he then confirmed his remarks.
It seems like the cartoons may be a tipping point in the relationship between the west and the Islam Nation. A step too far for citizens of the west. But Fran and Michelle still think it is appeasement time, hence the PM shouldn’t speak of it.
The riots and killings are happening globally. The OIC is stepping up its demands that the EU and the UN censor criticism of their ideology, and Fran and Michelle think it should not be spoken of at all.
Such strange timing. Such strangely ignorant commentators on the ABC.
John Howard is a very canny politician the way he often says things that are correct. In this way he very craftily gets large numbers of reasonable people to agree with him.
Is there no limit to the number of times this shameless individual will speak commonsense?
Posted by Margos Maid on 2006 02 20 at 05:22 PM • permalink#119
Yes, you are correct. It appears Orwell wrote the press release, no? The illustrious paper today printed an independent Op-ed from the local CAIR rep to announce the beginning of their indoctrination…er, education campaign to counter the cartoon insults. Yet the paper still does not publish the cartoons!
Artfull Dodger
until suicide Bombimg becomes a uni course in western universities, these poor amateurs will continue to get hoisted by their own petards.
Perhaps one of those kindly Oil rich Arab Sheiks will donate a chair in the next year or so.
Wonder how many western UNI chancellors will rush at those new opportunities.Today’s grand illusion is bought to you by
“Bearded men who like to throw stones and play war games to keep the population in tow”Feel the power, feel good, and throw some stones like you teach children to do.!
Posted by doleblogger on 2006 02 20 at 08:47 PM • permalink#95
Irving interview in news this AM (ABC Local Brisbane 612).
It appears that Mr Irving is swerving - he’s changed his mind about the holoucast - it did happen, millions of jews were killed, there were gas chambers and ovens… but
He still got three years gaol (and is bleating that it’s over something he said 17 years ago, and it’s not fair, cos he’s changed his views since then because he’s researched and acquired more knowledge…)
lying custard.
If you are referring to this comment made 18 years ago:
If it is in the eyes of some in the community too great, it would be in our immediate term interests and supportive of social cohesion if [Asian immigration] were slowed down a little so that the capacity of the community to absorb were greater
Then may I refer you to the rebuttal one Mr Tim Blair.
‘Will we have to ban islam’?
It’s a long article but worth reading.Posted by Lucky Nutsacks on 2006 02 20 at 09:27 PM • permalinkMurph
I must come to the defence of our valued visitor, DBO.
Asking for “proof” is exactly the kind of stunt we have come to expect from little Johnnie, and his loathsome crowd of fact-checking followers.
By demanding “correctness” you are reinforcing the dominant paradigm.
This concept of “facts” is just a tool some people use to divide us, and the sooner everyone comes to understand this, the sooner we can save democracy by ushering in a Green/ Islamic dictatorship.
Posted by Margos Maid on 2006 02 20 at 09:40 PM • permalinkRe: #151
Kae,
David Irving may be a lying custard, but he’s also just a dickhead.I would have thought that jailing the guy for 3 years for being a dickhead (believing and advocating things that are demonstrably false) is quite unjust.
As long as he doesn’t incite violence, I consider that Irving is entitled to believe, write and spruick whatever he likes.
The West is quite capable of accommodating such people.Freedom of expression also means that people can be dickheads, and better still let all and sundry know that they are dickheads.
We don’t need the state to protect us from such fools. On the other hand we should be protected from people who advocate death to those who dare criticise Islamic beliefs or any other beliefs for that matter.
#160
Dopey dickhead lying custard - howzat?
Why isn’t it that the more stupid the things people say, the less people take any notice of them?
Conspiracy theories and denying the holocaust are really, really stupid. There were witnesses - what, were these people paid off to lie? Particularly the survivors of the concentration camps. It’s sick and stupid.
And as for the motoon
protestsriots, it just proves that Islam is not compatible with modern western society.Amortiser, some heavy handed thug can hurt one or two people, its the thinkers, the propagandisers that through their lies and distortions can move hundreds or thousands of usually feeble minded people to commit henious crimes and cause much suffering….
If Hitler or Lenin or Mao had just been bully-boy thugs in pubs or on the street, their rantings would have been still born…. so i disagree, this writing and spruiking all sorts of crap can be very dangerous and should get what it deserves….
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4692318.stm
Danish Muslims split over cartoons
Talk about make up your minds??
Do you want west or Middle East values?
DBO where are you?
When will I learn - they never call, they never write…
Posted by Margos Maid on 2006 02 20 at 11:53 PM • permalink#164 - I think he’s off picking Loewenstein up from daycare.
Posted by Lucky Nutsacks on 2006 02 21 at 12:06 AM • permalinkcasanova,
The moment he gets up and says that people should be maimed or killed then he should be dealt with.Maybe you can tell me where irving has been guilty of such an action? Denying the Holocaust is not incitement to violence. It’s just removing any doubt in peoples’ minds that he’s a dickhead.
By all means campaign against the goose - that’s your right in Western culture. Jailing him for holding such views is almost as obnoxious as ordering a hit on Salman Rushdie but not quite.
I think the germans learnt after the first world war that things aren’t quite as simple as someone moving straight to inciting people to violence and you arrest them… instead it can often move in stages…
almost immediately after the first world war elements in germany started “spruiking” that the german army hadn’t actually lost the first world war, it hadn’t been defeated in battle, instead it had been “stabbed in the back” by the “November criminals”.... so it came to be widely believed that germany only lost the first world war becuase they were undermined or stabbed in the back by traitorous elements from within…
this did lead to some political murders fairly soon after WW1 of those who had agreed to sign an armistice, but also laid the perfect platform for Hitler to later come along and take up that theory and say it was in fact the Jews that stabbed Germany in the back and sold her out to her enemies….
so the people spreading the old “stab in the back” legend to cover the fact they lost the war fair and square, laid the ground work for Hitler to come along, and the end of the story is that it wound up with the deaths of millions of jews in camps, and the destruction of most of Europe and the deaths of some 50 million people worldwide…
i think the germans have learnt that elements within their nation have demonstrated that they can warp and twist an innocent, intellectual sounding argument into something with indescriable consequences…
so to be safe they are not even going to allow this sort of tripe the time of day, so it can then be taken up and “spruiked” further by neo nazi groups who would just love to put the jackboots back on…
Interesting and useful link 1.618, thanks. If you go to Brussels journal you will see what the BBC didn’t include in their report.
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/811
The Danish Muslims who the imams are referring to as rats.
Moderates such as Kamran Tahmasebi say they have had enough of fanatic Islamism and its intimidation of the Muslim immigrants in Denmark. “It is an irony that I am today living in a European democratic state and have to fight the same religious fanatics that I fled from in Iran many years ago,”….
The cartoon affair was an incentive for him to stand up and warn against the Islamist imams in Denmark….
He says he is well aware of the risk he is taking by siding with Mr Khader, who has for a long time been living under police protection. But Mr Tahmasebi feels it is his duty to take part in this debate. “Naser Khader has carried this responsibility for too long. I share his beliefs and now I want to stand up and say so. Apart from that, as a parent I feel a responsibility to fight, so that my children will not have to live under Islamist dogmas. They shall be able to live free in this country.” Mr Tahmasebi adds that he believes the imams are one of the biggest problems Denmark is facing today…..
The Danish government has suspended all dialogue and cooperation with the Danish imams on the integration process. Some of the strongest protests against the twelve Muhammad cartoons [see them here, halfway down the page] came from imams who are members of the government’s official integration think tank.Kamran identifies in what he says possibly the grossest aspect of the craven response of western governments and press. That so many were welcomed and told now you live in a free society and it is a lie. As is clear from the reports from around the world of police, including ours, sitting back and watching the violence rather than confronting it, the establishment in the west has no interest in providing sanctury for the Muslims who are abused. They have built either real or virtual walls around them and left the abused dissidents, women and children to live in fear in these communities. A policy of containment and they only respond when the violence crosses the river so to speak.
That to be a dissident in the Muslim world is a sentence of harm is a given, that the same danger exists in the west is another example of the failure of the various elites to support the fundamentals of a free society.
A thought, honor killings that have been tolerated for so long in the UK for one. And who would dare repeat what a British program touched on some years ago, child sexual abuse in the mosques.
Very brave people such as Kamran need the unquestioning support of the west. Not to be shafted as Ayaan Hirsi Ali was by the PM of Holland.
And congratulations to John Howard. A challenging article in Conservative Voice asks whether the west might have to ban Islam. Don’t agree with that, unless all religions were banned. But in his discussion he reports on John Howard. Apart from the fact that Howard deserves to be put out there as an important leader, he is also the only one who has stood up and said enough is enough.
I was surprised to read this about Canada though.
“We are already approaching this today. In Ontario they have officially outlawed Muslim Sharia law, that law that uses religious precepts to enforce moral and society codes of conduct. And Muslim “family councils” have been stopped where local community groups may supplement Canadian law with their local custom.”
This situation with the islamists reminds me of the similar situation in Sicily with the mafia. The main victims were the local sicilians who did not condone the violent behaviour and the casual way in which it was perpetrated. Unhindered by police or political will to counter it.The comments by the P.M. should encourage the muslims who are not in favour of the extremist amongst them to flush them out, or they will be the first to suffer at their hands. I hope that the P.M.will make sure that help will be there when requested.
May I also recommend to anyone interested, westerner or muslim, to read ” The west and the rest” by Roger Scruton, very much an eye opener.
One last thing: Abbott keep your rosary out of our Treasury!.# 101 apparently something like 60% of Strayans have some Aboriginal blood
Absolutely this is not a slight on Aborigines but that is utter bullshit!!
Probably confusing the urban myth (but more likely to be fact) that 90% of kiwis have some Maori blood.
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Another non-Danish face! Beside Leunig is Ayan Hirsan Ali, the Somali-turned-Dutch politician.