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Toronto’s Hamid Rizvi explains free speech, Islam-style:
Islam values the rights of every person and their right to express their opinion. Expressing their opinion is different, however, from openly denouncing or insulting the beliefs and religion of someone else. When Muslims in the world retaliate against such opinions—or the Danish cartoons—they are not trying to eliminate freedom of speech. Instead, we are trying to eliminate the unnecessary hatred against us that is based on completely false facts and analysis.
The fact that someone could call the Koran a “book of inherent violence” tells us how ignorant and uninformed that person is about our religion ...
There is a simple solution to these “violent” retaliations. Let’s keep practising free speech, but eliminate the ignorant insulting of Muslim beliefs. The retaliations will stop.
No deal, blackmailer. (By the way, Hamid signs off with a cheery: “It is pretty hard to clap with just one hand.” Which is why petty thieves in fundamentalist countries have learned how to whistle.)
The National Post doesn’t accept comments, of course.
This loon mainly establishes that he has absolutely no faintest glimmer of appreciation of the concept of “free speech”. To be fair, his progg advisors tend to have an extremely shaky grasp of the subject; I suppose he can’t really be blamed.
But the real insult to Islam isn’t people who note that it’s violent; it isn’t even assholes who shoot unarmed nuns in the back in outrage at being called “violent”. The true, deep insult to Islam is that Islamics don’t call the second group the cowardly, violent nutcases they are. Compared to that spitting on the Koran is complimentary.
Regards,
RicYes, ‘ignorant and uninformed’, because you know, Uncle Mo was really just a loving man, who wanted the whole world to be as one, a united paradise which revels in simple fellowship. He dedicated his life to this cause - like Gandhi, really - and we should all try to model ourselves on the Prophet. All that stuff about him fighting and pillaging are the lies of evil Western imperialists! Islam is about peace and love - now put this veil on your womenfolk before we beat them to death.
Good fucking grief, this has got to be a parody….doesn’t it?
Bit along the lines of “Nice liberal democracy you guys got here, be a shame if anyone…messed it up!”
It must be really terrible being a Muslim, being a member of a religion so fragile, and worshipping a God so insecure, that taunts threaten to destroy the whole thing.
Talk about your house of cards!
On the other hand, I was able to discuss Joseph Smith’s murder with Mormon door-knockers the other day, and issues of plagiarism in the Book of Mormon and…get this…they were able to have a rational discussion.
Not hard to see which is more encouraging of reason and rational thought-processes.
Posted by Quentin George on 2006 10 15 at 04:51 PM • permalinkTim, that’s not blackmail. It’s extortion. Let’s not insult blackmailers.
Posted by Brian O'Connell on 2006 10 15 at 05:21 PM • permalink“It is pretty hard to clap with just one hand.”
Ahh, but two one-handed theives can clap. Unite against your persecutors!
Posted by flying pigs over mecca on 2006 10 15 at 05:26 PM • permalinkRing-a-Fatwa’: Hot Line for Religious Questions
According to a report in Asharq Al-Awsat, for a small fee, members of the public can telephone Islamic hot lines and ask sheikhs across the length and breadth of the Kingdom religious questions. However, certain sections of the community have viewed the new move with skepticism.http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1§ion=0&article=88221&d=15&m=10&y=2006
What we have here is a failure to communicate.
Hamid Rizvi can not explain why his laws, such as the one absolutely forbidding insulting the “Prophet” apply to me or any other free human being. He just believes that these laws have universal application, but belief, however earnest, does not make it so.
On the other hand, explaining freedom of speech to him is like explaining Boston’s parking laws to a cranberry.
“Expressing their opinion is different, however, from openly denouncing or insulting the beliefs and religion of someone else.”
No, denouncing and insulting someone’s beliefs and/or religion falls under the rubric of free speech, even if one’s remarks are false and rude. Muslims, for example, have the right to say all kinds of false and rude things about Jews and Christians. At best, Hamid wants to live in a protective bubble; at worst, he’s an apologist for Islamic violence.
Posted by Bill Ramey on 2006 10 15 at 07:50 PM • permalinkFor a long time after 9/11 I was one of the “we must distinguish between jihadists and peaceful Muslims” crew.
There was not a single day or event which pushed me into the “fuck this gutter religion” camp. Just a gradual accretion of knowledge from the news and from history books, and helpful fellows like Mr. Rizvi.
Congrats, Islam! You’ve made another convert!
The usual aregument from the followers of the Religion of Peace is “Only some Muslims are violent, most are moderate peace lovers” or words to that effect.
This guy is clearly arguing the opposite: Moslems are violent and even the so called moderates support the violent:
The money quote : “Even though he will not face a violent backlash from moderate Muslims, Prof. Redeker will not gain any kind of support or encouragement either.”Posted by LaVallette on 2006 10 15 at 08:49 PM • permalink“Instead, we are trying to eliminate the unnecessary hatred against us that is based on completely false facts and analysis.”
Yes. Those false facts and analysis would be burning my countrys embassies and sending death threats to the cartoonists? Here’s an idea: why not stop beheading journalists as a first move to eliminate unnecessary hatred?
“It is pretty hard to clap with just one hand.”
...and to immobilize a healthy goat.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2006 10 15 at 09:54 PM • permalink“Expressing their opinion is different, however, from openly denouncing or insulting the beliefs and religion of someone else”.
How funny. These ‘moderate’ Muslims daily insult Christians and Jews and every other religion that isn’t Islam. They are ‘infidel’ religions. Jews and Christians are evil according to them. After all, Abraham was a Muslim.
This guy is a fucking hypocrite.
Posted by The Best Infidel on 2006 10 15 at 10:49 PM • permalink#21 Trainor,
That’s true moderation, meeting them halfway.Posted by Michael Lonie on 2006 10 15 at 11:13 PM • permalinkThis clown reminds me of a statement a Commie once made. He said he finally understood freedom of speech. “It’s when everybody agrees with me.”
Posted by Michael Lonie on 2006 10 15 at 11:15 PM • permalink# 24 Dave S - its a good point.
A few years back, i was blissfully unaware of the RoP and it’s workings.
Fast forward and now I’m turning into a zealot. Friends of mine who have wouldn’t be seen dead reading a paper from the front are now openly appalled by their increasingly bully-boy antics.
Look at the queue of UK Labour ministers jumping at the chance to have a go at the RoP - Straw, Kelly, Brown, Reid etc etc.
Tide is definitely turning.
Posted by pommygranate on 2006 10 16 at 12:40 AM • permalinkAm I the only one who thinks of this when I read the post title?
nb. pic safe for work.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 10 16 at 12:52 AM • permalinkLet’s keep practising free speech, but eliminate the ignorant insulting of Muslim beliefs.
I agree with this. Informed insults are far sharper.
Posted by carpefraise on 2006 10 16 at 06:26 AM • permalinkQuestion -
why don’t those against global warming protest against the Islamic suicide-bombings, exploded embassies, Qassam rockets firing etc?
Surely all of this is terrible for the environment!Where are THOSE banners?
Posted by carpefraise on 2006 10 16 at 06:31 AM • permalinkcarpefraise:
Probably because they share the same ‘logic’ in dealing with their opponents and enemies:
“Instead, we are trying to eliminate the unnecessary
hatred against usthoughts that global warming might not exist thatisare based on completely false facts and analysis.”Sounds waaayy too much like the eco-stalinists’ strategy for dealing with cimate change
infidelsdeniers.I get it. Criticizing Islam is akin to yelling “fire” in a crowded theater. Best we get that codified without further delay. Peace.
Posted by Kyda Sylvester on 2006 10 16 at 01:41 PM • permalinkBlackmail and extortion are the same in my local Penal Code: the treat of violence to achieve an act by the victim.
If Rizvi’s remarks were aimed a an identifiable person or group, they would constitute a felony.
Posted by Harry Bergeron on 2006 10 16 at 03:55 PM • permalink#41 Make that “threat” instead of “treat”—too close to Halloween, eh?
Posted by Harry Bergeron on 2006 10 16 at 03:57 PM • permalink
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Tim, Tim, Tim. There you go again, taking a perfectly logical, reasoned arguement put forth by a moderate representative of the Religion of Peace, and trying to make it into a twisted, illogical view of a widely accepted western ideal.
No, wait. That’s what it is!
Nevermind.