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FOR THE WAR BEFORE HE WAS AGAINST IT
Scott Ritter, waging peace since 2002, continues rewriting history—with some Nazi comparisons thrown in to satisfy the BusHitler idiots:
A former chief UN weapons inspector has compared the British Prime Minister, Tony Blair, and the US President, George Bush, with the Nazi war criminals who started the Second World War.
Scott Ritter, a former US marine, said today the US and Britain’s “aggressive warfare” in Iraq was similar to German actions in Europe 66 years ago.
“Both these men could be pulled up as war criminals for engaging in actions that we condemned Germany in 1946 for doing the same thing,” he said.
“Tony Blair and George Bush are guilty of the crime of planning and committing aggressive warfare.”
Which is exactly what Ritter urged in 1999:
I have grown convinced that there has been a total breakdown in the willingness of the international community to disarm Iraq of its weapons of mass destruction. Saddam Hussein is well on the road to getting his sanctions lifted and keeping his weapons in the bargain. A resurgent Iraq, reinvigorated economically and politically by standing up successfully to the United States and the United Nations, will be a very dangerous Iraq—one that sooner or later will have to be confronted by American military might.
Back to Flippy Scott’s latest speech:
Mr Ritter told how he delivered a report in 1992 stating Iraq’s missile program had been eliminated.
But, he said, the news was met with “stony silence” and he was told Iraq still possessed 200 missiles.
The inspectors returned to track down the weapons which never materialised.
“Ninety per cent of the time, or more, we received full co-operation of the Iraqi Government.”
Full co-operation? Let’s look at Ritter’s letter of resignation from the UN weapons inspection team, as published in his 1999 book Endgame:
Iraq has lied to the Special Commission and the world since day one concenrning the true scope and nature of its proscribed programs and weapons and systems. This lie has been perpetuated over the years through systematic acts of concealment.
This investigation [I went on] has led the commission to the doorstep of Iraq’s hidden retained capability, and yet the commission has been frustrated by Iraq’s continued refusal to abide by its obligations.
Ritter’s resignation led to an appearance before a combined session of the Senate Foreign Relations and Armed Services committees, where his hawkish attitude was ridiculed by Senator Joe Biden (again, this extract from Endgame):
Biden was relentless, suggesting that the question of taking the nation to war was a responsibility “slightly beyond [Ritter’s] pay grade” ... the use of force was the kind of decision that people like Colin Powell and George Bush made, said the senator from Delaware.
At least Ritter had one supporter:
Senator John Kerry said that Saddam’s aim was to continue to build weapons of mass destruction at any cost. The US should be prepared to use force to achieve its goals, Kerry said ... sliding into a policy of containment, he emphasized, was disastrous ...
In the months that followed, I have had occasion to reflect on the words spoken by the various senators that day ... it was the words of Kerry and [Senator John] McCain that struck home the hardest: Kerry’s observation on the need for decisive military action against Iraq, and McCain’s comment that if people had listened to someone of my pay grade during the Vietnam War there might be fewer dead Americans. As Senator Charles Robb, a Democrat from Virginia and a former Marine veteran of Vietnam, noted near the end of my testimony, history was replete with cases where failure to act early resulted in greater suffering later.
Ritter was calling for war on Iraq five years before the actual invasion—which he now condemns as a war crime. A final Endgame extract:
No matter how difficult stopping Saddam Hussein is today, it will become more and more difficult, and extract a higher and higher price, the longer he is left to rebuild his arsenal.
Ritter really has no idea.
The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow Islamic countries to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed the subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty.
So ninety percent of the time they were fully cooperative?
Or in other words, they were not fully cooperative.
Posted by Steve Skubinna on 2005 10 08 at 02:30 AM • permalinkRitters past is only realy relevant in terms of the potential for blackmail. (gross but realpolitik).
A honey trap with a few underage girls supplied, a couple of photos and the regime of your choice now has a “pet” inspector.
Not that id ever suspect that a man whos views had changed 180 degrees would ever have that happen!
/offPosted by thefrollickingmole on 2005 10 08 at 02:34 AM • permalinkThe most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow Islamic countries to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed the subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty.
WTF, sandwhip? You sound like Pat Roberts at the end of a 3 day bender.
But given that you are effectively advocating empire building using racist language, using curious blog name, and a slogan-style e-mail address, I think you are a leftie troll masquerading as a far right wing idiot.
I’m betting this “sandwhip” idiot is orang, but it might be Bryla. Anyone else?
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 10 08 at 02:48 AM • permalinkBack O/T, Scott Ritter continues to demonstrate his hypocrisy and lies.
But no doubt this is a lucrative scame for him. Fools will pay a lot to hear what they want to hear.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 10 08 at 02:51 AM • permalinkRitter “grew” in intellect and moral clarity in the last few years, just don’t confuse him with any facts.
Posted by Pat Patterson on 2005 10 08 at 02:51 AM • permalinkUgh! A Margoism! That should be “scam”, and not “scame”. ;-P
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 10 08 at 02:55 AM • permalinkTRJ,
Racist language. That’s just offensive, and I think you may have mis-understood.
The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost duty to revive in the nation the spirit of unity and cooperation. It will preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation has been built. It regards Christianity as the foundation of our national morality, and the family as the basis of national life.
Yup. ‘Bout what I thought. A leftie troll masquerading as a far right wing idiot.
Of course, you could just be a genuine right wing idiot, but the odds are against it.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 10 08 at 03:37 AM • permalinkScott Ritter, a former US marine, said today the US and Britain’s “aggressive warfare” in Iraq was similar to German actions in Europe 66 years ago.
Similar??? Before US Marines and soliders stormed Fallujah, they allowed the populace to leave with their possessions. This undoubtedly enabled the higher levels of leadership in the insurgency to escape (some probably under the disguise of a woman’s burkha). But it was considered necessary in order to avoid large numbers of casualties by the innocents.
Is this what the Nazis would have done in WWII?
Ritter, get a fucking clue. Or more likely, get a soul. You obviously sold yours for a bag of silver.
Posted by wronwright on 2005 10 08 at 03:53 AM • permalinkI agree with The Real JeffS.
I don’t know what’s wrong with me. I used to engage in debate with the trolls but now I find I can’t even read through their crappy discourse. I just ignore them.
On the other hand I read The Real JeffS’s comments, Dave S, Richard McEnroe’s, et al, and find them compelling. Especially the military knowledge, quite impressive. (Gawd, even some of the ladies here understand this military stuff better than me, who would have thought?).
Of course, they are part of Rove’s cabal so I guess I shouldn’t be surprised.
Posted by wronwright on 2005 10 08 at 03:59 AM • permalinkYes, yes sandwhip. “Et al” here. You remind me of one of those Bible readers on the street corner who is completely oblivious to anything anyone is saying to him. “Um sir, yes, I can quite agree with your reciting of the passage in Mark, very inspiring that. But sir, if you don’t mind me interrupting, you’re standing out in the street and you are very much in danger of being run over by a bus. Sir. Sir!!”
(I’m a et al? Well, it is latin. I’ve been called worse, especially on Tim Dunlop’s blog. Hell, I’ve been called worse by McEnroe).
Posted by wronwright on 2005 10 08 at 04:27 AM • permalinkI don’t know what’s wrong with me. I used to engage in debate with the trolls but now I find I can’t even read through their crappy discourse. I just ignore them.
You’ve been immunized, wronwright. It’s perfectly understandable, what with all the feces those jokers fling.
And it’s all right being an et al. That’s much better than being a non sequitor, rather like our new “friend”, sandwhip.
Italics provided free of charge. Thankfully, danger quotes are really cheap.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 10 08 at 04:34 AM • permalinkDear Diary
Things going well here in Iraq. Out of every ten inspections, in the nine to
high schoolssuspected weapons labs, in search ofhot under age girlsprohibited weapons programs, we have had full cooperation from the Iraqi authorities, however the tenth inspection scheduled to look at Uncle Saddam’s gas and nuclear weapons plant has been postponed as the gate is broken. oh well!Scott Ritter
Posted by Just Another Bloody Lawyer on 2005 10 08 at 05:41 AM • permalinkI’m merely pointing out that the efficiency of the truly national leader consists primarily in preventing the division of the attention of a people, and always in concentrating it on a single enemy.
Sigh. You are an idiot, y’know? Other people besides you can read. You just described the strategy of Hitler. Kim Il Jong. Saddam Hussein. Josef Stalin. Pol Pot. And so on, ad nauseum. Murderous thugs in charge of authoritarian states, all of them.
In spite of what you may think or believe, the regular posters here hold your sort of “efficiency” in contempt. As well as the sort of “national state” that you describe.
Hmmmmmm…..now that I think upon it, ad nauseum fits you much better than non sequitor. But, ultimately, just another troll. And a stupid one, to boot.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 10 08 at 06:24 AM • permalinkBetcha 10 bucks sandwhip is David Heidelberg. (ie of “mustaq omar” fame)
Posted by Quentin George on 2005 10 08 at 06:51 AM • permalinkYou are all sadly mistaken.
The size of the lie is a definite factor in causing it to be believed, for the vast masses of a nation are in the depths of their hearts more easily deceived than they are consciously and intentionally bad. The primitive simplicity of their minds renders them a more easy prey to a big lie than a small one, for they themselves often tell little lies, but would be ashamed to tell big lies.
Said The Real JeffS to the little troll:
Sigh. You are an idiot, y’know? Other people besides you can read. You just described the strategy of Hitler. Kim Il Jong. Saddam Hussein. Josef Stalin. Pol Pot. And so on, ad nauseum. Murderous thugs in charge of authoritarian states, all of them.
I suspect the troll was hoping we were all stupid enough not to know that and one of us would agree to him so he could whip off his mask and gleefully use it to “prove” we were all fascists.
/sarcasm on
...and the twit just paraphrased (or perhaps even directly quoted) Goebbels. Gosh, didn’t see THAT coming. Nope. Not obvious at all. Never saw it it as a possibility.
/sarcasm offPosted by Patrick Chester on 2005 10 08 at 07:11 AM • permalinkJeffS: You’re right with the immunization metaphor. It’s just SO obvious when you see the same stupid tactics, same stupid lies used over and over again. :)
Posted by Patrick Chester on 2005 10 08 at 07:15 AM • permalinkYeah, Quentin! That would be Ol’ David Heidelberg’s style. He’s probably trying to scratch a RWDB for a screeching response. Maybe orang complained to him.
If it is Davie, he does a better job imitating a victimized Muslim than of an oppresive RWDB. I’ll bet he doesn’t even have the proper RWDB Blogging Uniform™ on. I mean, I can’t even consider blogging without wearing my kneehigh jackboots.
BTW…..is that $10 American or Australian?
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 10 08 at 07:15 AM • permalink...and it just moved to the True Believers thread. How clever… or clumsy?
Posted by Patrick Chester on 2005 10 08 at 07:28 AM • permalinkThis is why Quentin,
“I remember once amusing myself back in the late ‘80s by burying little phrases from Gorbachev’s speeches in screeds I used to serve up to a National Party minister. There was nothing included that the minister didn’t support, of course, but I enjoyed my secret insider’s chuckle as I read hansard, knowing he would have been appalled about the source. And then there was the time I actually did rifle a stack of Clinton’s stuff on family policy for a Liberal minister’s speech, which he was very happy with, because he was trying to convince the community sector of his bona fides in the area.”—Christopher Sheil[(again, this extract from Endgame):] Biden was relentless, suggesting that the question of taking the nation to war was a responsibility “slightly beyond [Ritter’s] pay grade” ... the use of force was the kind of decision that people like Colin Powell and George Bush made, said the senator from Delaware.
Endgame was published in 1999, and this extract is recounting Scott Ritter’s testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on September 3, 1998. So why was Biden talking about Powell and Bush instead of Albright and Clinton, who were in office at the time?
I finally found the transcript and turns out Biden was referring to the decisions made by General Colin Powell and President George Herbert Walker Bush in the first Gulf War.
Much much more on Ritter here: Emperors Clothes
“sandwhip” has been banned. His IP address is suspiciously close to that of several other trolls, as well. That just might mean he uses the same internet dialup service, but just in case I went ahead and banned the IP as well.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2005 10 08 at 09:24 AM • permalinkI have a feeling that Andrea has been getting tired of some of us (like me I must admit) protesting her eagerness to draw out the Sword of Righteous Indignation and swipe off the heads of trolls. I suspect she’s letting us stew in our own juices—by getting impatient and well, becoming rather disgusted actually, and making us express our pleas that she pull out the sword. Like now.
Ok, Madam Andrea, maybe you’re right. I defer to your insightful perception of who is a troll in sheep’s clothing and must be smited at the first opportunity. I bow down to your acumen and wisdom.
Now might we discuss my bold tags allotment, pretty please?
Posted by wronwright on 2005 10 08 at 11:57 AM • permalinkDamn, thanks, wron.
Just for that, I’m going to requisition you a shiny new “M246 Tanker, Removal, Lake.” It’s got AC, cruise control, power everything, and a six-disk CD changer with XM Radio. Lord Rove will be impressed when he sees you behind the wheel of that bad boy, lemme tell you. He’ll know you’re a acolyte on the fast track!
DaveS—Got the package with the drain plugs. This should be good for a laugh…
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 10 08 at 04:14 PM • permalinkDave S and Richard McEnroe,
Please read: I ...am….not….the….lake….guy. Give it to The Frollicking Mole. He’s trying to get into the Evil Death Cult Known as Neoconservatism. As if that’s such a great thing.
Look, I’m freaking exhausted. I just got home from a fun filled evening helping Krazy Party Karl clean and organize his office. On a Saturday night! Oh what fun. MSM Misdirection files go in this file cabinet. Get the Democrats to Nominate Nincompoops files in that file cabinet. And just when I thought I could slink out to maybe run over to the Neocon Club for some brews and perogis, who comes in but the President, Rumsfeld, and Cheney. To regale us with, can you believe it, some lame blonde-with-big-boobs jokes. Oh, yes, of course, I had to laugh. Starving my ass off, but don’t worry about me, just enjoy yourselves.
As if it means anything for my chances to ascend to full fledge member. I bet they don’t even remember my name tomorrow.
And then when I finally got over to the club, every freaking parking space was taken. Shit, ten of them were taken by that “Humvee” McEnroe drives. For the record McEnroe, no one is fooled by that fake Humvee insignia on the front. That’s an M1A1 Abrams tank, converted to “civilian use” by Chattanooga Choo Choo conversion company. I thought they only did vans. I thought wrong evidently. I bet they installed gaudy shag carpeting and a portable bar didn’t they.
So I just drove on home. Saturday night. Organizing files. No beers. No perogis. No parking space. This sucks.
Posted by wronwright on 2005 10 08 at 10:39 PM • permalinkIt’s not easy being a Fascist Hegemon. Life in our ranks isn’t for the weak! Man up, Nancy!
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2005 10 09 at 12:35 AM • permalinkWronwright, have you considered using dehydrated water?
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 10 09 at 09:00 AM • permalinkFor the record, I deny categorically that I ever had a wet bar in my 113. And I certainly never painted big Foster’s Lager cans OD, stencilled item numbers on them, and carried them on the inventory as “Fluid Replacement, *smudge*”
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 10 09 at 04:29 PM • permalinkDid Saddam run a chain of burger joints called Burger Sultan or something? Where you could always order a side of thighs? Why does Ritter have any credibility with anyone?
Posted by Monroe Doctrine on 2005 10 10 at 10:04 AM • permalinkI could allways tell Dan rather and M. moore Bush’s old national gaurd records are on the bottom of the lake. Leave a video of Mussolini draining the Italian lake and hey presto all gone.
Mind you runniong the hoses from there to Afghanistan ( to float halliburtons pipeline on) might take a bit more workPosted by thefrollickingmole on 2005 10 10 at 11:43 AM • permalink
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