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Frank Gaffney is interviewed by the ABC’s Tony Jones, who confidently deploys the “Saddam had no WMD” argument:
TONY JONES: Except for the fact as it turns out—I’m sorry to interrupt you there—except for the fact as it turns out, he didn’t have any?
FRANK GAFFNEY: No, it doesn’t turn out at all that he didn’t have any. It turns out we haven’t found what he had. But what we did find, what the Iraq Survey Group did find, is plans to use the in place dual-use manufacturing facilities once sanctions were lifted to put chemical and biological agents in aerosol cans and perfume sprayers to be shipped to the United States and Europe. That was the plan for terrorist activity that we have confirmed was in place under Saddam Hussein’s regime. You haven’t heard a great deal about it. Perhaps it has not been reported adequately enough to the Australian people or, for that matter, to the American people. But it’s true. That’s the kind of thing that prompts me to say I believe it was absolutely necessary to prevent Saddam Hussein and his terrorist allies from being able to operate as they would have been, had we not liberated and country. By the way, I happen to think it’s a great thing that we’ve liberated the country. I very much regret the loss of life that’s continuing there. I think it’s incumbent on all of us, and we’re grateful for Australia’s help on this, to prevent that further blood-letting. At the hands of a minority of people who clearly don’t want the Iraqi people to enjoy freedom or security.
TONY JONES: Let’s move on ...
(Via J.P. Mac)
Changing the subject, what a great idea!
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2006 04 04 at 11:05 AM • permalinkTONY JONES: Let’s move on ...
I agree Tony…shall it be Syria or Iran?
Nahhhh…we’ll let the Israelis take Syria, the U.S. wants this guys head...... BUT only on a pike.
The SLUG slides down the slippery slope again..onya Frank.
Tonite’s ABC FC programme rightly targeted animal cruelty facilities at Oxford,U.K. especially those taunting and torturing a dog during “experiments”.
It takes a Sixty Minutes on a commercial channel however,to take the scenario not to a cushy,pushover Western Country but to the Middle East where (apart from donkeys)animals,especially cattle and sheep are horrendously knocked about before their demise.
Also the ABC and SBS appear to be enthusiastically supporting abbatoir workers in Australia at present.No sympathy or hesitation there in ignoring the animal rightists.El Cid,
I’m sure you’ve seen Mahmoud Ahmadinnerjacket slapping himself silly in this well-worn internet nuttiness: he’s the guy with the microphone and the green thingamajig, not the Mad Mullah that loses his marbles at the beginning.
These idiots think they should have nuclear bombs. Pleasant thought, eh?
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2006 04 04 at 11:18 AM • permalinkFrank Gaffney must have had one glorious high-school debate coach.
Posted by chinesearithmetic on 2006 04 04 at 11:26 AM • permalink“There is a growing sense that without his intervention we might already have seen the sectarian violence turn into civil war.”
Hmmm. There is no civil war. It would appear that your Tony has fallen off the MSM meme train. Will he ever recover? Will they ever be able to put poor Tony back together again?
You have to give the guy credit for allowing himself to look stupid for an entire interview. No rooting for collapse here. Certainly not. Geez!
Spiny Norman - are you *sure* that’s Ahmadinejad? Doesn’t look much like him…
Posted by James Waterton on 2006 04 04 at 01:13 PM • permalinkHold on—here’s the latest Mahmoud photo. The head moves in the prescribed manner.
Posted by Monroe Doctrine on 2006 04 04 at 02:30 PM • permalinkIf ‘it’s time’ was the war cry of the left in the 70s, ‘let’s move on’ must be the epitaph of the left for these times.
Posted by Flying Giraffe on 2006 04 04 at 02:49 PM • permalinkJames Waterton,
Spiny Norman - are you *sure* that’s Ahmadinejad? Doesn’t look much like him…
The guy with the close-cropped beard that grabs the microphone? He sure looks like Ahmadinejad to me. I’m 99.9% sure it’s him.
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2006 04 04 at 04:10 PM • permalinkAhhhh, Oz. We still have you beat…our people manufacture news….
NBC: STAGING THE NEWS AGAIN?
By Michelle Malkin · April 04, 2006 08:25 AM
***update: a reader sends another message notifying Muslim activists that taping will take place April 8…see below…update: NBC confirms Dateline is working on the story...***Salam,
I hope everyone is doing well.
I have been talking with a producer of the NBC Dateline show and he is in the process of filming a piece on anti-Muslim and anti-Arab discrimination in the USA. They are looking for some Muslim male candidates for their show who would be willing to go to non-Muslim gatherings and see if they attract any
discriminatory comments or actions while being filmed.———————-
That said, I’m urgently looking for someone who can be filmed this April 1st weekend at a Nascar event (and other smaller events) in Virginia. NBC is willing to fly in someone and cover their weekend expenses. The filming would take place all day on Saturday and Sunday.
We already have a hijabi sister who will be filmed there but a Muslim is also needed to join her. I also need candidates for the other filming segments which will take place in the following weeks.
Read the rest should you choose at
Michelle Malkin”... convey the message to the masses through those who write its entertainment scripts and its songs.”
Or its News & Current Affairs.
The ABC must learn again how to present unbiassed current affairs. Jones should move on if he is going to continue this pattern.#20 the NYT-ERROR-IST rag also stages faked news and photos. On 1/16/06 ii showed a photograph of a little boy and an old man standing next to what was supposed to be a missile fired by the Americans at their village. The NYT was caught in its lies, and published a correction: “Jan. 17, 2006: A caption Saturday on NYTimes.com with a photograph of damage from a U.S. airstrike in Pakistan misidentified an item in the photograph. Agence France-Presse, the agency that provided the photograph, later changed the caption to report that the item appears to be an unexploded artillery shell, not a piece of a missile from Friday’s attack.” Note that the so-called correction states that there was damage from a US airstrike, but there was evidence of damage from the airstrike shown because what the photo showed was an artillery shell. So even in its “corrections”, the NYT lies.
Why do all the NYT mistakes serve the leftoid’s adgenda and never show Bush in a good light? If the “mistakes” were randomly generated, would we not get some in favor of America and/or Bush?Any reporter worth his salt would have asked what he based that on. poor tony tones must have got a whif of this or he would have been screaming “fake,fake” as loud as he could.
Bloody facts!!!Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 04 04 at 06:56 PM • permalinkActually, reading the transcript only, I thought it was not a bad interview. He appears to have let the neo-con have his say and was clearly outpointed but at least he asked and put all his leftie agenda items out there. Most “journalists” keep them hidden as “assumed knowledge” and therefore uncontestable.
For a long time now the left has turned the debate on whether or not Saddam had WMD and they only very infrequently get called on it. The invasion was made on the basis of failure to comply with U.N. resolutions. Whether or not there were actual WMD is interesting but only relevant to the debate about the efficacy and ability of the U.N., not the war.
Inconvenient news never stops the valiant ABC reporters, protecting the rights of miserable news hunters world-wide. Consider headlines on the most recent study from the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare:
‘Most Australians living longer’ - Adelaide Advertiser
‘Get a life - for an extra 25 years’ - SMH
‘Over 100 years, life gets longer’ - The Age
‘Alzheimer’s deaths triple in past 100 years: study’ - ABC OnlineOne of these headlines is not the like others…
Off Topic..BUT remarkable
WWII Conscientious Objector Buried with 21-Gun Salute
CHATTANOOGA, Tenn. — The only conscientious objector to receive a Medal of Honor in World War II has been buried at a national cemetery with a 21-gun salute, although he refused to carry a weapon while serving as an Army medic.
While under enemy fire on the island of Okinawa, Doss carried 75 wounded soldiers to the edge of a 400-foot cliff and lowered them to safety, according to his citation.
During a later attack, he was seriously wounded in the legs by a grenade. According to the citation, as he was being carried to safety, he saw a more critically injured man and crawled off his stretcher, directing the medics to help the other wounded man.
“He wanted to serve. He just didn’t want to kill anybody,” said a veteran who attended the service, Fred Headrick, 85. “Most all of them (Medal of Honor recipients) received their medal for killing someone. He received his by saving lives.”
Fox NewsJones let Gaffney have his say, with plenty of room to breathe. I like Gaffney’s denial of neoconism, “I’m not even sure what neocon means….”
A self-hating NeoCon?
Sorry to go O/T, but this was too funny not to tell.
Was reading some blogs on the West Papuan asylum seekers (more arrived three days ago, apparently) and saw a story about a protest in Indonesia where 20 students tried to ‘storm’ a hotel, demanding they stop letting Australians stay there.
The protestors got what they wanted, there was just one problem, Australians don’t stay at the hotel! HA!
Read more about these losers here
It’s pretty funny.
Go down the page near the end of the stories on West Papuan refugees. The ABC News link didn’t work when I clicked it, but the guts of the story seems to be up on the blog.
Another successful, but utterly pointless, ‘No Australians In Indonesia’ protest! Let’s hope they just keep it at this level of idiocy.
OMT, same blog has quotes from Indo Prez reacting to the ‘Cartoon Wars’. Pretty weird quotes. SBY thinks World War 1 and 2 began because of “mere gimmicks”.
Ahhh, sure, whatever you reckon, mate.
Posted by LeftieLatteLover on 2006 04 04 at 08:07 PM • permalinkLet old Tony Jones ask about this…
Riot revenge gang let free
EXCLUSIVE by GEMMA JONES Police Reporter
April 05, 2006
CHARGES against six Middle Eastern revenge attackers from the day after the Cronulla riots have been dropped on legal advice.
In a major setback for the investigation into the riot aftermath, police have been told there is insufficient evidence to secure a conviction for the charge of riot and affray against the men.
Investigating officers had been relying on a test case from the Milperra Massacre, where bikies present at the time of the 1984 shooting spree were charged with affray.
Police claimed they had evidence the men were part of a violent mob at Brighton-le-Sands, but have been told they must prove “individual acts” of riot to get a conviction.
to put chemical and biological agents in aerosol cans and perfume sprayers to be shipped to the United States and Europe.
They’ve been watching Batman - The Movie!
Posted by walterplinge on 2006 04 04 at 09:10 PM • permalink28. Cid, truly remarkable. I believe Alvin York, another Tennessean, began WW1 as a CO and ended up with a CMOH.
T.J should know better than to pick on the likes of Gaffney. He is no mere ideologue.
Posted by Vanguard of the Commentariat on 2006 04 04 at 09:23 PM • permalink#33, No Walter, Frankie is saying that SADDAM had been watching Batman The Movie.
Saddam may have been concealing weapons programs and he may have shipped them out of the country before the War, but didn’t this spray can/perfume bottle stuff get completely laughed well out of way in late 2002, or thereabouts?
If Gaffney’s still pushing these stories, he must be getting desperate.
I always like the way he blames the rest of the world for the rise of the Iraq insurgency. Apparently, Syria, Iran and even Saudi Arabia had time to prepare the insurgency in the six months the US “wasted” at the UN trying to make the war legal.
Saudi Arabia? Is he kidding?
Gaffney and Daniel “Civil War Might Be Good For Us” Pipes are not helping at all to keep the NeoCon philosophy of democracy building alive and kicking by saying this kind of stuff.
Agree with Gaffney on Al Sistani, though. He has definitely kept a lot of the Shiites in check, and stopped the ultra-escalation of violence after the mosque bombings.
Posted by LeftieLatteLover on 2006 04 04 at 09:29 PM • permalink#38, Ahhh, because I’m not?
My site is at http://www.leftylattelover.blogspot.com, but there’s not much on it, yet. I spend too much time posting here. Is there something I’m missing here?
Posted by LeftieLatteLover on 2006 04 04 at 10:31 PM • permalinkL-3
Is there something I’m missing here?
Well, since you asked..clicking on “my site”, gives you this message…
The page cannot be displayed
The page you are looking for is currently unavailable. The Web site might be experiencing technical difficulties, or you may need to adjust your browser settings.Good bet that this means, you are “missing your site”
#40, “My site” where? On the blog? WTF are you talking about?
Posted by LeftieLatteLover on 2006 04 04 at 10:58 PM • permalinkRight, sorry, bad link field, an extra ,
my site is here : leftylattelover.blogspot.com
there’s only one post so far. Am I plagarising? Merely ‘inspired’ is all.
Posted by LeftieLatteLover on 2006 04 04 at 11:00 PM • permalinkLLL, we just find it… interesting that you link to that yournewreality blog all the time. If you aren’t the actual author I sure hope the blog’s owners pay you for all this free publicity you give them.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 04 04 at 11:06 PM • permalinkOh, quit it, LLL. In emails and comments you’ve continually pushed links to “Your New Reality” and at least one other site run by “D.P. Mason”.
Your choice: drop the charade and you will be permitted to retain comment rights in this, the Grandest Commentocracy in All the World of Words.
Or persist in lying, which will result in a Terrible Banishment. Forever!
Over to you, “Darryl”.
Who the hell is Tim B anyway?
Don’t take this from him, Dags.
Posted by Margos Maid on 2006 04 04 at 11:31 PM • permalinkAnd this is different from others linking to their favourite sites….how exactly?
Hmm, Andrea, I think I’ve sent maybe four or five links from that blog since I….signed up….here.
Very dramatic to…..do…that…it…works…very…well.
I visit that blog like I visit about twenty other blogs every few days. If I found stories on those blogs that weren’t already posted by you, Tim, or weren’t linked by other posters in this forum, then I would have linked to them as well.
There’s four or five sites on that blog, which I go and look around, so forgive me for sharing info and links I thought others here might be interested in seeing. If you don’t think my contributions are worthy or interesting then why didn’t you just delete them in the first place?
Is it strange to push a blog or site you like to others you think might like it? Ahhh, isn’t that one of the reasons why the blogosphere has grown the way it has?
But if you want to unleash this ‘Terrible Banishment’ then go for it.
Care factor? ZERO.
You know this forum will lose another bit of fire and fun and another wonderfully easy target for the furious flamers. That’s why you haven’t banned me already.
But if you do, there will be broken hearts. I know that MentalFloss and Stats and my beloved Texas Bob will miss me dearly, as I will miss inciting them with my ignorance.
Mate, you’ve gotten a bit of a swell head from your outing of W. Shear, me thinketh. No more ‘conspiratorially secret’ bloggers left to bust? Did you scare them all away?
I don’t need to be outed by you, “Timothy”, or “Darryl” (he posts under his name and initials, amazing detecive work there).
I can out myself.
My name is Ferris F. The ‘F’ stands for ‘Fuckyou’.
LeftyLatteLove to you all.
Posted by LeftieLatteLover on 2006 04 04 at 11:37 PM • permalink#28 - El Cid, this story ran in last Saturday’s paper here in Perth. Incredible guy, giving up a stretcher and saying “Help him instead.”
Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2006 04 04 at 11:37 PM • permalinkEl Cid — Quick historical note. Army medics in WWII were not armed to begin with. It would have been more accurate to say, “refusing to carry a gun, he served instead as an Army medic…”
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 04 05 at 12:02 AM • permalinkMy name is Ferris F.
LLL was using a Yahoo email address under the name “Ferris Fremont”—which happens to be the name of a character in a Philip K Dick sci-fi novel, set in one of those wacky alternate timelines PKD loved.
“Let’s say it’s the story of an alternate universe, and of a tyrant named Ferris F. Fremont, who’s President of the United States, and in 1968, after having shot the Kennedys, Dr. King, Jim Pike, Malcolm X, George Wallace, so that he is elected by a very large vote, there not being any real contenders, and sets out to destroy the two-party system ...”
Interview with PKDBut alas, it seems our Ferris Fremont was just plain old Darryl.
Posted by Lionel Mandrake on 2006 04 05 at 08:38 AM • permalinkGee, it’s a good yarn from Gaffney—anthrax and sarin in perfume bottles, to be shipped off to the States to slaughter the innocent. A pity that it’s about 10 percent fact and 90 percent fantasy. The Iraq Survey Group’s report mentions no evidence whatsoever that the regime planned on smuggling chemical or biological weapons into the United States or Europe in perfume bottles or spray cans. This story seems to have germinated from rumour to fact in Gaffney’s brain, based on hazy intelligence reports issued in 1998 - not from material found on the ground in Iraq post-2003.
Wow, Emily P., you’ve snuck in some reality-based material here. For anyone else interested in reality, try Tim Dunlop’s post on this topic.
Posted by Weevil Punnet on 2006 04 05 at 11:22 AM • permalinkI dunno Emily. What I do know is that Saddam is so reckless a man, so greedy for power and wealth, that he started two wars to steal other peoples’ oil even when he did not have nukes. What would he, or his psychotic spawn, have done once they got nukes? Now we shall never have to worry about that.
Posted by Michael Lonie on 2006 04 05 at 11:22 PM • permalinkWeevil, linking to Tim Dunlop as a “reality-based” source is similar to a college student using this as an authoritative reference for a term paper on nuclear physics.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 04 06 at 02:01 AM • permalinkWill I ever get to type “Complete and Utter Twat” again now that the multi-persona known sometimes as LLL has been banned?
I will retire that particluar epithet, or at least let it age and mellow in my cellar for the next incarnations appearance.
Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 04 06 at 03:00 AM • permalinkWhat’s that we should be chewing on? A document in Arabic, hosted on a government website which has this disclaimer on its front page:
The US Government has made no determination regarding the authenticity of the documents, validity or factual accuracy of the information contained therein, or the quality of any translations, when available.
In fact the only person to have provided a translation of this ‘smoking gun’ is a Christian right-wing blogger, Joseph Shahda (‘citizen translator and American hero’, no less) who claims the only reason there’s no official translation is because the government is too busy and can’t be bothered. Yet this article in the Boston Globe states that:
“US intelligence officials say nearly all the documents released have been given at least a cursory reading by Arabic experts. Beth Marple, Negroponte’s deputy press secretary, said amateur translators won’t find any major surprises, such as proof Hussein hid stockpiles of chemical weapons.”
So, the bulk of these documents actually have been translated - despite Shahda’s claim they have not - and the Bush administration somehow forgot or chose not to tell of Saddam’s grand plan for suicide bombers? Give me a break. I trust Shahda and his translation about as far as I could toss him.
61..I suppose if we want to see what happens when a maniac gets control of nuclear weapons we will probably not have too long to wait..
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0408-07.htm
As you read this, remember that Iran is not just a country of mad mullahs and provocative politicians. It is also home to a population of 80 million people.
Remember the Iran/Iraq war. Revise the political and social affiliations that exist.
Remember Iran also possess a large number of Sunburn mach 2 nuclear capable cruise missiles, Amongst other weapons.
We could be watching the preliminary maniac moves towards the end of the “Great Game”...
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