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The SMH publishes a map of Sydney racism:
Residents of Mosman and Woollahra have joined those in the Sutherland Shire as among the Sydney people least tolerant of cultural diversity and multicultural values, a map of the city’s racial attitudes reveals ...
The survey is part of work by Associate Professor Jim Forrest, of Macquarie University; Kevin Dunn, of the University of NSW; and others, from which Professor Forrest has produced the map.
Here it is; the chilling map itself. Naturally, according to Professor Forrest, “the least accepting groups were in outer suburbs where populations are mostly solidly Anglo.” So let’s look at the means by which this damning socio-cartography was produced:
In the survey on racial attitudes, residents were asked to respond to two statements: 1) It is a good thing for society to be made up of different cultures. 2) Australia is weakened by different ethnicities sticking to their old ways.
A little simplistic, don’t you think? After all, would the people who agreed with the first statement also agree that, say, white supremacists (a different culture) added to society’s goodness? Would the tolerant Green voters of inner Sydney welcome to their suburbs differently-cultured fundamentalist Christians? Would a culture of difference indicated by female circumcision be a good thing?
As for the second statement (which one must reject to signify tolerance) what of the “old ways” represented by opposition to female employment? Or homosexuality? What if the ethnicity sticking to its old ways happens to be Anglo-Saxon? Speaking of old ways, the survey upon which the SMH’s story is based seems to have been completed in 2001:
Responses to other statements by 5056 people in Queensland and NSW immediately after the September 11 attacks showed 12 per cent held beliefs akin to racial supremacy.
More details about the original survey here. The only new element to the SMH’s front-page lead might be the map. Which would mean the SMH headline (“After the riots: city’s map of racism”) isn’t exactly honest; the data for that map was collected more than four years before the riots.
Editors with a little tabloid finesse may have been able to sneak this bunch of crap past sleepy Boxing Day readers. The SMH, as usual, can’t fool anybody, any time. Oh, and there’s this sidebar piece on a multicultural festival:
At about 2.30pm, said Jamal Daoud, a Blacktown community worker who thought up the festival as a gesture of reconciliation, about 10 “Anglos” gathered near his group in a menacing way. “One of them said something racist but we could not quite make it out.”
But he knew it was racist! Possibly the speaker was someone from a different culture, bitterly sticking to his old ways.
(Compiled with massive assistance from J.F. Beck)
These people are MORONS.
This is all very nice in the abstract, but how do they feel about clitoridectomy? How do they feel about culturally and religiously-sanctioned wife-beating? How do they feel about special laws and selective enforcement of the law for people ofrom different “cultures”? How do they feel about the second-class status of women? How about raping slutty girls who don’t wear headscarves or who lie on the beach to get a suntan?
Tolerance is great, but not if it destroys the society.
Posted by Mystery Meat on 2005 12 25 at 03:11 PM • permalinkOne more good reason to slash funding to the academic sector.
After the leftist media, the universities are the next most effective arm of the cultural assault on our society.
As seen in this example, they work together to produce propaganda.
Posted by Evil Pundit on 2005 12 25 at 05:09 PM • permalinkThe sidebar piece is such a beatup, even for the non-news holiday time. The SMH must have been scouring the sands of Cronulla, desparate to find some MOMA who might just possibly have experienced some sort of racism. I’m surprised they didn’t call up the white supremacists for an instant riot, when they came across Jamal’s group.
From what I remember of doing surveys from the early days and recent political in-fights, that which we see here are not a Survey but Push-Polling. Such leaden unidirectional questions rank with “Do you still beat your wife.” (no, usually she wins at cards) with their nuance. What a laughable load of crap, the only explanation is the B team is on holiday (there is no A team) and this is the work of the C team.
A poor attempt to generate guilt amongst their universal enemy (white, Christian, hard working and etc.) I would be tempted to suggest the greatest danger is falling off ones chair laughing. Good to see that they are reinforcing the decline of the Farifax masthead, when it’s cheap enough on eBay it could be fun to buy.
Posted by missinglink on 2005 12 25 at 06:24 PM • permalinkSo does the hostility of the MOMAs for Aussies count as racism like the corresponding hostility of a surfer yobbo would?
Posted by Michael Lonie on 2005 12 25 at 06:38 PM • permalinkAny leftie-luvvee Skips who feel like experiencing the true meaning of the Herald’s version of “tolerance” should try a stroll through Auburn after 10pm any evening and if you haven’t got your fill of “tolerence” there you could give Lakemba a go.You should be OK as Bankstown Hospital is quite handy and their Casualty Department has plenty of practice with gunshot wounds.
Poor old Jamal is, like most of the muslim spokesmen, completely in denial.
“It shocked me to the core what happened two weeks ago. I could not believe anybody could come to Cronulla and say, ‘No more Muslims’, ‘Lebanese go home’.
“I was shocked by what happened the following night [the revenge attacks]. But I understood how desperate these people are and how policies of this government turn people into a hopeless situation.”
He was shocked by pissed off Aussies but understands why muslims behaved badly the following evening.
Its Howards fault obviously, couldn’t possibly be anything to do with ten years of ethnic violence from lunatic ‘car enthusiasts of middle eastern appearance’.
Posted by Ralph Wiggum on 2005 12 25 at 06:49 PM • permalinkIf there is racism here, it is very selective:
1) Cronulla white youths resentment of Lebanese Muslim youths;
2) Lebanese Muslim youths resentment of all other groups;
3) Lefty elitists’ hatred of Anglo-Celtic Australians, particularly those from the working class.
Everyone else seems to be getting on fine.“But I understood how desperate these people are and how policies of this government turn people into a hopeless situation.”
Yes, that sentence had me gasping too. Nothing to do with their inherited culture of misguided, antagonistic uselessness flowing from rejection of everything which would assist them to assimilate and become proper, successful citizens who we would be pleased to know and associate with - as we have with the Greeks, Italians, Baltic Stateless, and all the others who have come here in the past. Not just Anglos.
(Becoming prosperous via the drug trade or carjacking/rebirthing does not count!)
Instead we have a criminal sub-culture that is not being dealt with and which we are not (according to the silly moaning herald) allowed to be disrespectful of.
Allowing your group to become a rejectionist Ghetto culture is a form of cultural racism, and self defeating - or should be self defeating, if political correctness does not step in and prevent the normal peer pressures from applying.
We know when we have been sold a pup. If the media continue to tell us what we know to be untruths, we must continue to expose them as a danger to our society.#10 so he understands how desperate these people are. not desperate enough to get themselves an education & a job apparently
just by the by, just so southerners don’t feel left out of beach violence, if any lefty skips would like to wander down to williamstown or altona foreshore in the early hours of a sunday morning, there are plenty of young men of mediterranean & middle eastern appearance in fancy cars who will be only too pleased to demonstrate some appropriate behaviour
They’re using a PC definition of tolerance, whatever else they’re doing.
Normal people mean equanimity at something abnormal by it.
So there’s at least a double meaning floating around, and they’re using it to support a doctrine : cruel customs are things good people accept in others.
It’s called an equation in a word. One sense is the chief sense of the dictionary word, and the other sense is called out by context, and a claim is made that one implies the other. ``The word itself says so.’‘
Label the map ``High Acceptance of Cruel Customs’’ and ``Low Acceptance of Cruel Customs’’ and the matter becomes clearer
This story from SMH was taken up as the lead story on the ABC (surprise!!).
I think we should have a law that no opinion polls are to be allowed unless the pollsters clearly define the terms, in some detail, of the questions they are asking. Otherwise, the publication of the results lead to racial prejudice and intolerance.
In particular what is “multiculturalism”? If you meant the bringing into Australia of people from many countries all living together in relative harmony, and respecting each other’s cultures then I would say that it is the best thing that has happened to Australia in the last 60 years. But if it is defined as a carte blanche for some ethnic groups to discriminate against women, deny freedom of speech or religion to others etc etc etc then I am against it.Also, define “racism”. It cannot be ‘racist’ if someone, for example dislikes, prima facie, Lebanese Muslims but is happy with Lebanese Catholics. It might be bigotry, illogical prejudice against a culture or religion, but it is not racism as these groups share the same DNA. (‘Race’ is defined as “any one of the groups into which the world’s population can be divided on the basis of physical characteristics such as skin or hair colour”)
And what about the head of the Australian Anglican Church, Phillip Aspinall, saying that we had “to get on with people “we don’t know, love or like”. What if the thing we most have against these people is that they don’t know love or like us?
Posted by arnienelly on 2005 12 25 at 11:24 PM • permalinkWhere did they do the poll? Bankstown? Lakemba?
Why does the police heirarchy turn a blind eye to the anarchy so prevelent in the Lebanese culture?
It is far easier to blame the stupid Australians , that way they will not notice their country is gradually being stripped from them by ‘multi culture’.To the extent that multiculturalism was ever explained to the Australian people or those of any other Western democracy by its promoters (the “educated” middle classes), it was portrayed as nothing more than a warm and fuzzy multi-ethnic or cosmopolitan society with new and exotic food, national costumes, music and dancing.
These things are essentially attributes of “lifestyle” not culture and few would object to them.
When however, Australians object to the behaviour of some people from a genuinely different culture which in its various forms encompasses slavery, child marriage, subjugation of women, female genital mutilation, vicious anti-Semitism, intolerance of other cultures etc etc, they find themselves described in the media as “racist”.
Is it any wonder that journalists are held in such low regard?
As usual, the ABC is at the cutting edge of factual accuracy:
“Some Sydney councils have rejected new research showing their residents are among the least racially tolerant in the city…”
Our taxes are being well spent.
Posted by Mike Jericho on 2005 12 26 at 01:32 AM • permalinkRE:
Speaking of old ways, the survey upon which the SMH’s story is based seems to have been completed in 2001:
If this is the case, ie that it is an old survey then the academics are being completely dishonest (never!) and should be sacked along with the journalists who have attempted to mislead us. And, if this was a lie then Media watch should run with it.
I note that the ABC says it is “new research”
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200512/s1537947.htmAND the ABC also points out something that the “We-are-all-pack-of-racists” SMH does not, namely….
Despite the findings, Associate Professor Forrest says extreme attitudes in Sydney are not as concerning as those in other societies.“Over here, using the same kind of questions, you get about one person in eight who’s rather over the top in their intolerance,” he said. “In America it’s something like one in three. “So the Prime Minister’s right in that respect, that we’re a much more tolerant society than most.”Dear God.. you would never get the SMH having anyone say that Howard was right!
AND BTW why only compare us with “America”? What would be the result of a similar survey in e.g. Indonesia, not to mention France or Germany.
Posted by arnienelly on 2005 12 26 at 01:59 AM • permalinkThe ABC news tonight ran this nonsense! However in the preceding 10 minutes they were telling viewers that Australians were the highest donors per capita regarding aid to the ASIAN, mostly Moslem, victims of the 2004 Boxing Day tsunami!
They gleefully compared Australia with other ‘white’ western countries. It goes without saying the U.S. was mentioned. The same rubbery figures were used to impugn the people of that country too!My multicultural neighbourhood probably does not know what racism is. Not sure how many read the SMH.
Posted by stackja1945 on 2005 12 26 at 04:52 AM • permalinkThe UNSW website on the 2001 “Racism Project” says funding was made available for follow-up research to be conducted sometime in 2005:
“In 2001 a database on racist attitudes was collected, using a telephone survey (5056 sample), funded by an Australia Research Council (ARC) Large Grant. A key finding from the Racism project is that while racism is quite prevalent in Australian society its occurrences differ from place to place. These variations have been largely overlooked by anti-racism campaigns in Australia ...
“In 2005, the racism project will involve another large telephone survey, funded by a second ARC Discovery Project Grant. This survey will be used to collect data on the experience of racism, as well as feelings and reactions to those experiences ...”Get the author, Dr Kevin Dunn, on the phone: +61 404 032 429; Email: .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
Posted by Geoffrey MG on 2005 12 26 at 04:54 AM • permalinkI notice Maroubra is one of the more ‘tolerant’ areas. Must be why they got the baseball bat treatment.
But what’s really odd about this survey is that Palm Beach is in the ‘most tolerant’ category. ‘The Peninsula’ leaves ‘The Shire’ for dead in its isolationism. They don’t even like less-affluent white people - you don’t have a boat, my dear?? (To say nothing of the Upper North Shore - Lindfield and St Ives)
But then similar bastions of wealth - Mosman, Woollahra, Concord - get tagged ‘least tolerant’. This survey makes no sense at all.
Posted by David Morgan on 2005 12 26 at 06:45 AM • permalinkYeah Brian - sbs for special viewers spent a happy five mins ruthlessly debunking the Santa story via a deranged physicist(hope no ankle biters watching) and perpetuating the myth of Santa and Coke being associated via an ad showing Santa with a bottle of the magic elixir.
Followed by abc noos showing the adulterous Duchess and Prince,“American Churchgoers”-(2 seconds)-Cathedral obscured by a particularly garish and vulgar santamobile,and zooming in on the bare buttocks of some unidentified nude revellers skinny dipping(ugh so elderly) in Germany.So much for the dignity of our most joyous and celebrated religious holiday.
To force us to atone for any happiness or contentment we may have been nurturing,the CHRISTMAS ROAD TOLL was invoked.
If you harboured thoughts of escaping the morbid tv and turning to aunty’s radio you would have encountered a TALK BACK programme about DENTISTRY or tragic Opera favourites.Go—llee is this what we taxpayers deserve then? Root canal work and mouthwash,punishment for indulging once a year…and hasn’t the quack got anything better to do on Boxing Night…?Meanwhile Sheik Omran blames John Howard for radicalising young muslims in Australia..um..I could blame being fined for a traffic infringement for turning me into a cop hater who runs over the constabulary, or discipline mistress Le Lin Chen for turning me against Asian Australians (she hasn’t managed to yet).
I could sue Aunty for transforming me into a journo stalker/serial killer or Bob Brown for giving me homophobia.None of the above scenarios would give me any sympathy in a court of law or even from the public in general.Guess I’ll just have to take a rain check-or reality check…Seeing how I like self fulfilling prophecies maybe we should all become rabidly racist like the way lefty media wants see us. Pity I come from a very small ‘ethnic’ background (we’ll get smashed). I would prefer to side with the Anglo’s whose tolerance accepted my Dad and allowed me to get on with my life. Eeeeeeevil racist redneck whites how dare they tolerate my ethnicity!
By the way I see myself as Australian only, no hyphens. Here’s a wild idea maybe, just maybe if everyone called themselves Australian there would be no divisions to bicker over. But that would be racist wouldn’t it?
Posted by platey mates on 2005 12 26 at 10:59 AM • permalinkThis is a horrible indictment of higher education in the U.S. There seem to be idiots of the highest order in every nook and cranny of this story.
1. Just about every college library in every state of the union has The Little Red Book gathering dust on their shelves. The provocateur wannabe wouldn’t have had to go through interlibrary loan to get it in the first place.
2. The little dummy is such a dim bulb that he seems to think Mao’s 50 year old warhorse is incendiary. Apparently he’s not familiar enough with terrorist writings to pick something remotely current or controversial.
3. The professors (including Juan Cole, it seems) are so clueless that they didn’t recognize how utterly silly the accusation was. They seem to think that Mao’s stuff is current and potentially seditious. And they didn’t check whether the library had the book on the shelf.
We don’t have a higher education system anymore. We have a noise machine that prevents students from using thought and reason to analyze issues.
These types of stories send chills up my spine. Beachgoers are regularly harassed by Lebanese gangs and the police do nothing about it? And the news agency’s response is to run four-year-old slanted polls condemning every white person around for being racist? Yeeks.
Oh, and if ABC used this poll to slam Americans, perhaps they should come visit my town - Upper Darby, PA. I don’t think anywhere could be more multicultural - the local hospital has signs in English, Greek, Thai, and Spanish, and the local middle school prints its parent-information brochures in 20 languages. There are Vietnamese Buddhist temples, Indian clothing stores, African-American soul food restaurants, and Caribbean goat meat distributors within walking distance of my house.
Upper Darby was also voted as the 2005 safest city in Pennsylvania. That would be because of the strict and responsive police force as well as the prevailing blue-collar attitudes that value family, religion, hard work, home ownership, and all those other things that lefties probably disdain. I’m sure that the ABC would find it “racist” that anyone caught begging outside the WaWa would be thrown into a police car. I, on the other hand, enjoy the fact that I can walk around here at night and not feel in any danger.
There was an interesting article in one of the papers during the past few days (its Christmas and I have been celebrating).
Some clever bugger in the UK giving a speech saying that it is time Britain moved on from multiculturalism. His argument was that it has been a great success in absorbing lots of migrants from so many parts of the world and managing the subsequent huge changes in what was a pretty homogenous society but now it is time to leave multiculti behind. To not move on, he said, risked seeing the nation (UK) evolve away from being one big tolerant society into a society comprised of many large, insular, intolerant ghettos without an over-riding common purpose.
They didn’t say what the response was to this speech but I can imagine what it would be here in Oz. Geoffrey Blainey could probably give the bloke some advice on coping with the fallout.Kimberly:
Unfortunately, for decades violence and anti-social behavior committed by politically-fashionable groups and individuals—the criminal classes, terrorists and the so-called ‘disadvantaged’—has been given a pass by elites, while any vigorous response to it is decried as reactionary, excessive, racist or ‘perpetuating the cycle of violence.’
And Muslim apolgists and publicists have become particularly good at playing this game.
#38 - give that man a cigar - he’s spot on. being of wog/anglo extraction, i can see the point of a bit of nostalgia about the paternal motherland, but not to the point of wanting to recreate it here - we are AUSTRAYAN, & the sooner we all face up to that reality the better. the magic of dual citizenship enables those who cannot face it to leave.
we have a country with incomparable climate, rich resources, & fairly creative & hardworking people. we have a mature democracy where loony traitorous leftoids who recommend killing aussie troops are ridiculed rather than locked up & tortured. by & large different groups rub along well together. the education system could do with a bit of a shock, but brendan’s working on it. we are a lucky country in the real, not the Horneian, sense
those seeking to change the nature of australia, to ghettoise & enforce minority values on our society through the use of baseball bats, should be strenuously & vocally resisted
#20.The reason given for Police inaction is that the heirarchy has become excessively Politically Correct,the truth is far more sinister.For a decade ALP Branch stackers have enrolled large numbers of “men of Middle Eastern appearance” as members of ALP Branches in a number of Electorates in South-Western Sydney,these people had their membership subs. paid by the stackers and generally were only involved in Branch activities at preselection time when they were called upon to cast a vote for the candidates favored by the stackers.Over time enough of these previously tame folks became aware of their value to the elected Member and the power that they might exert as a consequence.Thus when members of their extended family got into trouble with the Police they looked to the Member for support and were not disappointed and as such good news spreads rapidly through the Community more and more demands are made.The problem is that these pesky front-line coppers keep catching these criminals who make an “honest” living from professions such as dealing drugs and rebirthing stolen motor vehicles.Clearly no sensitive left-leaning ALP Member of Parliament would dream on permitting this unwarranted assault on cultural values to go unchecked and happily an easy solution was available,simply nobble the cops.Can’t be done you might think.Not so because in this State the Boss Coppers are all on term contracts all the way up to and including the Boss of Boss Coppers and renewal of those contracts as well of promotion within the upper ranks is directly at the whim and will of ALP Politicians,some of whom owe their position at the taxpayer funded trough to the stackers and their recruits.So next time you hear that 40 carloads of thugs have assembled in Punchbowl Park an are preparing to launch a “retaliation” raid in some other part of Sydney and are happily flashing their Glock pistols for the benefit of reporters and you also hear that although Police are present in force they don’t approach the armed thugs in fact the are instructed by their superiors “not to antagonise them”,don’t be surprised.
captain/others who know how the media works.
How on earth did this story get published in the Herald? I read it yesterday and was just blown away by how lame the “analysis” was and how deliberately inflammatory it was.I often read Herald articles by people such as Adele Horin that show very clearly that these journos simply have NO idea how to interpret numbers and quantitative reports.
How are they allowed legally to print this garabage?
Noelene.
#42 I think the correct pronunciation is Oshtrayia(n).
#45 Malcolm Brown is now giving some of the doubters a go (SMH 27/12) including, even, the chairman of the Community Relations Commission, Stepan Kerkyasharian, who said he was “puzzled” by the results:
“He questioned the methodology, especially as it appeared it was done by telephone. What, he wondered, would the people doing the survey do if the person answering the phone did not speak English. Would they call for an interpreter, or just ‘dump them’?”
Posted by Geoffrey MG on 2005 12 26 at 10:38 PM • permalinkGreat to see me suburb of Concord make it into the least tolerant bit (I have been working hard at it).
Im an Oz-talian wife irish/scot, neighbours Greek, other side chinese/malay, 2 anglos across the road, more italians further down the street, Armenian/lebanese family + more chinese in the street.
Christ we are such an intolerant suburb.
But guess what everyone works for a living in our street, I think that makes a difference.happy Xmas to all
Prejudiced about OZ? Just finished a mah jong game that teaches facts from around the world…I learned the principal exports of Oz are beer, some kind of sheep-like thing, and sailboards; principal activities are beer and surfing; sights to see are the Opera House, Urulu, and beer; principal fauna are snakes, sharks, koalas, kangaroos, and beer.
Better than NY, which features pizza, graffiti’ed subway cars, and more pizza. Or SF, the principal exports of which are hippies.
We are Austrayan… Second para, “We Are Australians”.
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Not very subtle, are they? I am continually amazed at how little media pundits (and sociology professors) think of the public at large.