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Interesting news from the WaPo’s Dana Milbank:
They key for the antiwar movement is to use Sheehan as a symbol but not to make the movement about her. Last night was an effort to broaden beyond Sheehan to other parents. That’s why MoveOn told people to bring pictures of children even if they aren’t in the military, and organizers handed out stickers saying ‘mom’ and ‘uncle’ and so forth, even if the ‘son’ or ‘nephew’ wasn’t in Iraq.
Shouldn’t these protesters be outside of John Kerry’s place, seeing as he isn’t President? Maybe Vietnam Veteran Against the War Ward Reilly, who wasn’t in Vietnam, has a son or nephew who isn’t in Iraq; we must do more to not care about these people.
Excuse me, but…..
This brings out two points about Sheehan.
should read as
This brings out two points about the anti-war crowd.
PIMF
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 08 19 at 04:02 AM • permalinkNeat Trick.
In effect they have taken her son hostage after he died, but are making demands which, if met, would ensure that more people around the world die, as a result of the boost that winning in Iraq would give the fake islamists.
Why fake? Because the continual cries of God Is Great are being used to lend some sort of street cretin legitimacy to vile and illegitimate acts.
God does not need these delusional beings to prove His greatness.Why not take pictures of kittens I mean people love kittens, even if those kittens aren’t in Iraq, there’s bound to be some kittens in Iraq right? Bunny Rabbits come on who doesn’t love a fluffy little bunny rabbit; there might be a cute little bunny in Iraq getting hurt right now! Get the troops out save the bunny rabbits! Gerbils! Gerbils are cute, no wait maybe that isn’t such a good idea…..
Oh wow Blogstrop, wonderful stuff. Yes indeed.
While it is sad that Ms Sheehan has descended into Ophelia-like madness, it behooves the media to not publicise her nervous breakdown, nor the left to enable it.
—Nora
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2005 08 19 at 07:49 AM • permalinkFor shame. It’s a terrible thing when people use lies to advance their case.
We all know that Iraq really, truly, 100% for sure tried to get Uranium from Niger, had an active nuclear weapons program, was constructing new centrifuges, and was ready to attack Britain within 45 minutes.
Bush didn’t lie. It was the MSM who used its insidious influence to change reality when they thought it would embarras him. Bastards.
Posted by The Real Jaffa on 2005 08 19 at 08:01 AM • permalinkI’ve just taken a look at the Adelaide Institute site from the link the dear Mr Blair provided.
Oh. My. God. I stepped into a time warp and it was Krystallnacht all over again…
—Nora
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2005 08 19 at 08:10 AM • permalinkThere is no truth on the left. None. Not since the mad bad days when Saul Alinsky laid down his Rules for Radicals. They do not owe us an honest dialogue, and they believe that forcing us to respond to every lie they tell keeps us from telling our own story.
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 08 19 at 10:01 AM • permalinkGood to see Bryan’s rich wife is letting him use her computer again.
Nice woman.
Posted by Quentin George on 2005 08 19 at 10:50 AM • permalinkHey, Ward Reilly has plenty of “sons” and “nephews”... he just never got around to telling their mothers where he’s living these days…
And now that MoDo has declared the “moral authority of a mother who has lost a son in Iraq to be absolute,” isn’t it great to see MoveOn diluting it?
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 08 19 at 10:52 AM • permalinkThe Diana-fication and Oprah-fication of the West continues apace.
A significant portion of the Western public has spent so much time in the First World pleasuredome that it is incapable of understanding—much less dealing with—the inexplicably-brutal world is outside its personal emotionally-driven universe.
Hence the foot-stamping, petulant tone. They sound more like children wheedling to stay up past bedtime than adults dealing with a challenge history has handed them.
And I’m getting tired of their willingness—not just now, but during the Cold War, too—to play Russian roulette with our lives and our future.
Sorry to sound so serious. Now back to the biting commentary . . .
JeffS? Bingly? Tongueboy?
Jaffa said:
“We all know that Iraq really, truly, 100% for sure tried to get Uranium from Niger, had an active nuclear weapons program, was constructing new centrifuges, and was ready to attack Britain within 45 minutes.”
On the one hand we have Bush whackers making disingenuous statements about the WMDs and reasons for invading to the effect that since we were not 100% sure of 10% of the many reasons for invading Iraq we should have sat on our hands.On the other hand we have the same idiot savants stating we should have concentrated on North Korea because Kim Jong Il keeps waving his arms saying “look at me I’m the real nuclear threat”. This is the same confirmed LIAR who bamboozled Clinton into believing he no longer had any nuclear aspirations and was compensated handsomely for the lie.
As long as we’re on the Bush lied mantra. Here a great idea for a new liberal catch phrase:
Bush lied, Billions and Billions Died
Hey, as long as you’re incorporating fiction in your jingles why not do it right.
Careful, Tim, the usual leftist suspects will start lecturing you about how you only criticise their general lack of learning and deftness in regard to all aspects of prose. You never have any good points that puncture their highly relevant campaigns.
Posted by James Waterton on 2005 08 19 at 11:34 AM • permalinkWe all know that Iraq really, truly, 100% for sure tried to get Uranium from Niger
Well, everyone but Joe Wilson knows it. Sorry, Jaffa, but when it’s the word of one (disgruntled) guy vs every intelligence bureau in the Western world, I’m going with preponderance of opinion. But I know that in your circles, the word of one person who supports your preconceptions outweighs the word of God himself.
had an active nuclear weapons program
Ever hear of Osirik? But of course, the notion that Saddam would be on the brink of a bomb in 1981, then re-start the program, is utterly preposterous, yes?
was constructing new centrifuges
Since I don’t know about this, I won’t comment. Try it sometime.
and was ready to attack Britain within 45 minutes.
Please show me where anyone said this.
Usually I don’t support banning people, since dumb lefties make excellent target practice (and - albeit very rarely - provide food for thought.) And I like the free exchange of opposing ideas. But I make an exception for you - you’re just a drearily boring regurgitator of rusty boilerplate.
organizers handed out stickers saying ‘mom’ and ‘uncle’ and so forth, even if the ‘son’ or ‘nephew’ wasn’t in Iraq.
How sexist by Dana Milbank. As though “mom” can’t have a daughter in the military or “uncle” a niece? Lefties, at ‘im!
Of course, since having relatives in Iraq wasn’t an actual requirement, I suppose it probably doesn’t matter what gender the non-existent relatives are.
This ‘Mother Sheehan fad seems likely to change right now. We may be on the cusp of a Cindy fadeout. Her Mother’s had a stroke and Sheehan has gone home. Her husband’s filed for divorce, many of her relatives dislike her mission. Her personal life is in a shambles. The anti-Bush/anti-war bunch have quickly reacted to call up designated hitters and relief pitchers. Code Pink/MoveOn are tweaking their message and tactics. They’re professional agitprop artists, so beware.
Not sure who has or will gain from all this ‘theater’, and I’m familiar with several suggested outcomes, none persuasive.
Because this is all about Bush. These people don’t give a rat’s ass about Sheehan, or about soldiers, dead or alive, or about Iraqis, dead or alive. It’s just all about Bush. It is truly deranged.
I agree. This is similar to the Right’s reaction to Bubba Clinton during his two terms. Just an instinctive, personal dislike of everything about the “man” regardless of his policies or the success / failure of his administration or its impact on the country. Of course, in Bubba’s case, the right was, well, RIGHT. The smoothest politician we’ve ever seen undone by his weaknesses.
I think it’s indicative of how far the US has sunk politically - pyrrhic victories by either parties followed by incessant attacks by the other party until the next election.
I don’t know of any political candidates right now who would appeal across parties - Colin Powell might, but he’ll never run.
By the way, it’s becoming increasingly clear here in the UK that another dead son and his family are being manipulated by a combined front of Muslim and anti-war activists.
You might recall Jean Charles de Menezes was shot in the London Underground on 22 July by undercover police.
It turned out that he was an innocent Brazilian. That someone should die this way is a tragedy in itself. The family wants answers from the UK authorities. Fair enough. Their grief and anger are completely understandable.
HOWEVER, I think it’s more than a coincidence that:
a. Their UK lawyers are Harriet Wistrich and Gareth Pierce - both longtime activists for various causes, including opposition to the war in Iraq and support for certain Muslim groups.
b. In the UK, a couple of Asians with Muslim names and British accents keep popping up around the de Menezes family. Just today, Alessandro Pereira, cousin of Jean Charles, appeared at a TV press conference to read a prepared statement (his English was very faltering) and was flanked by two individuals. One I recognized as an British Asian male from earlier TV appearances - Asad Rehman.* The other, a young woman, might have been Brazilian or East Asian BUT spoke very good British English. Who are they?
I sense that the anti-Blair coalition and militant elements of the UK Muslim community are building up a shrill assault on the police in an attempt to deflect public attention away from the bombings of 7 and 22 July.
Let’s watch and see.
* UPDATE: Rehman runs “Justice4Jean” (the dead Brazilian) and is a longtime “Stop The War” activist AND is connected with George Galloway’s Socialist Worker Party/Respect organization.
I smell a rat, folks.
Posted by JJM Ballantyne on 2005 08 19 at 02:04 PM • permalinkJJM Ballantyne - My biggest worry is that this case will stop the police reacting quickly enough next time they are faced with a potential suicide bomber. Having said that, if the allegations of gross incompetence and cover-up are even half true, then the Metropolitan Police have an even bigger problem than I already think they do.
It would be nice to think that this was just being whipped up by some commie lawyers and islamist opportunists, but I think that this time, the smoke may be coming from a huge fire.
Just have to say, now that you have mentioned it, Syl, that I hate the song “Imagine”. It describes what can only be the most miserable communist totalitarian state.
Imagine there’s no countries, It isnt hard to do, Nothing to kill or die for, No religion too, Imagine all the people living life in peace…
Imagine no possesions, I wonder if you can, No need for greed or hunger, A brotherhood of man, Imagine all the people Sharing all the world.
Gee, sounds like a wonderful life. And that collectivization thing really worked out well in the last century, don’t you think? I make a point to spit on the “Imagine” mosaic in Central Park every time I walk through there.
The song, Imagine, is one of the most nihilistic songs of all time. There is no heaven and no hell…that is, you can do whatever the hell you please and there will be no consequences. Of course, Lennon would have approved the imprisonment of people who did stuff he personally didn’t like. Like all totalitarian ideas, the song Imagine comes right out of Orwell’s Ministry Of Truth (where truth has no meaning, in fact, where truth is what the government says it is. And that changes every day). Lennon would have made a great propagandist for the Marxist state Imagined by those in attendance at Crawford.
ekw“jic”:
I’m not contesting the incident.
I believe when the facts do come out (instead of what is essentially hype and innuendo right now), the police are not going to come out looking too good.
It’s the cynical manipulation of the family by the “usual suspects” that I find interesting.
Posted by JJM Ballantyne on 2005 08 19 at 06:21 PM • permalinkYojimbo—I recommend buying a copy (used, so his benighted estate receives not a penny).
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 08 19 at 08:33 PM • permalinkrichard mcenroe - I would also like to thank you for mentioning Saul Alinsky. I’d never heard of him before, but after reading an extract I found, I can see that he quite literally ‘wrote the book’ for the tactics of the modern left. I found this quote particularly telling:
The other important point in the choosing of a target is that it must be a personification, not something general and abstract such as a community’s segregated practices or a major corporation or City Hall. It is not possible to develop the necessary hostility against, say, City Hall, which after all is a concrete, physical, inanimate structure, or against a corporation, which has no soul or identity, or a public school administration, which again is an inanimate system.
So we now know why ‘Bush is Hitler’. By these rules, Bush can’t possibly be anything else.
#5: Great suggestion. In fact, I’d carry it a step further. Flood the next MoveOn-sponsored trash-Bush Cindyrama with people carrying pictures of well-known non-participants in the Iraq war - say, James Dean, Marilyn Monroe and Bullwinkle the Moose. It is said that the devil hates laughter; well, the mouth-frothing left rather writhes at the sound, too, so make with the horse laughs.
This might sound harsh, and of course we don’t like that here, but get a feeling that Cindy Sheehan does not care so much that her use of her brave son for anti-war protests has destroyed her marriage and created strains with various relatives. What Cindy cares about is getting Cindy in the news. People, that is one sad thing.
Posted by wronwright on 2005 08 19 at 10:04 PM • permalinkAw… the Real Jaffa was Bryla? Darn, he got nuked before I could use cheesy Stargate references on him. (“Kree! That’s right, I said: Kree!”)
(Though I suspect the nick was a slam at The_Real_JeffS. I guess Bryla gets hissy fits from that particular poster for some reason.) ;)
Posted by Patrick Chester on 2005 08 20 at 12:11 AM • permalinkI came rather late to the fair regarding this person named Bryla. Who, exactly, is he? Is he a Muslim? He is obviously an anti-American anti-Bushy, but that’s no big deal. He seems to have gotten everyone’s ire up here. Why was he banned? Not that I’m complaining, mind you, but I don’t want to make the same mistake he did. I love Tim’s blog. It’s the best. Please, help me avoid the dread Bryla Effect.
Bryla and I are old friends. Not!!!!!!
Yeah, Bryla likes me not. Oh, boo hoo.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 08 20 at 12:33 AM • permalinkekw — Bryla is just a bourgie toyboy with a well-off wife.
Yojimbo—Don’t forget, with Crusader Rabbit you get your very own Tiger, Rags. I’d recommend Courageous Cat but he can’t bring all his handguns into Australia. On the other hand, with Colonel Bleep, you get your very own puppet cowboy, (just like the Saudis!) and your very own caveman to play the chickenhawk neocon…
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 08 20 at 12:54 AM • permalinkekw, if you want the inside skinny on Bryla, read this post. You’ll get the full picture of this bourgie toyboy (nice phrase, richard!).
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 08 20 at 01:43 AM • permalinkIn Shrub’s illegal war unfair,
I lost a son who wasn’t there.
He wasn’t there again today!
Oh, how I wish we’d run away!Posted by Paul Zrimsek on 2005 08 20 at 02:28 AM • permalinkThe_Real_JeffS wrote:
Yeah, Bryla likes me not. Oh, boo hoo.
Bryla: You DARE mock me?!
The_Real_JeffS: Bryla, it’s me. Of course I mock you.Hm. Sounds like he should have picked “The Real Goa’uld” as his new pseudo. More fitting.
...ah, bring pictures of children, even if they aren’t in the military? Gosh, the stunning honesty of the anti-war movement. One wonders if their presumption that their opponents are liars are based on projection.
Posted by Patrick Chester on 2005 08 20 at 02:47 AM • permalinkJeff, I read a number of posts at that link. Fascinating. Thanks for getting me up to speed.
This guy, Bryan Law, described as a huge, messy, smelly Michael Moore clone (without the propaganda talent), reminds me of Ira Einhorn, the hippie “guru” who murdered his rich girlfriend, Holly Maddux, and stuffed her body in a trunk in a storage closet in his apartment where it eventually began leaking Holly’s decomposing fluids into the apartment below. This rotten piece of shit was a typical leftie peacenik of the Berkeley/SF/Marin triangle who spouted all the same nonsense and sponged off everyone (a lot like Karl Marx, actually, who had three and four weeks worth of food stuck in his beard at all times, it is said) he knew. They finally captured him in France some years ago and he is now in the penitentiary where he will live out the remainder of his days.
I don’t say that because I think Bryla might murder his wife (Does he have a trunk that won’t leak? Just in case…?), but there is a link to the type. When I got the proper physical picture of him, then read some of his arguments, and read the unimaginably crass boast of how he goes to his wife for money and what a bourgeois bloat he is, etc., I see now why the delicious Andrea banned the turd. I can see how tired everyone got of him and why. He is one of those guys who hijacks threads and tries to clog up conservative blogs with his incessant, revolving chatter. He is, basically speaking, a gob of hair that sticks in the drain and floods the bathroom. One needs to remove these hair clogs as they just spoil it for everyone, besides making the footing in the shower uncertain.
It clearly was not a sudden thing, this banning, nor was it unwarranted. I did waste the better part of an evening writing a rebuttal to him, but now I see why it was unneccesary. He is what we called, back in the Fifties, a dipshit.
Good riddance to bad luggage.
ekw
I came rather late to the fair regarding this person named Bryla. Who, exactly, is he? Is he a Muslim?
Out of curiosity, ekw, why did you suspect he was a muslim? I’ve never seen him say anything that implied he was, and that’s certainly no requirement to being a fuck-for-brains on the internet.
It might interest you to know that we did have one troll who claimed to be muslim to get sympathy for his rambling moronism—however it turned out that he was faking it (One o’ you smarter regulars can probably find the relevant threads faster than me, wasn’t it David Heidelberg? Teh irony).
Let’s not invest so much weight in the religion here, that we see Islam at the root of every dumb thing said on the internet. You’ve got to shoot straighter, or you’re giving the apologists of tyranny free ammunition to bitch about.
Bryla’s probably stroking his thigh right now thinking “Yes, yes, they assumed I was muslim, which proves they are RASCIST!!! OH GOD YES! YES!”
And if giving him that sort of pleaasure doesn’t make you want to scrub your brain out, it should!
That was David Heidelberg, Sortelli. “Mushtaq_Omar” was his nom de plume. If anyone wants to read the comments of this wannabe Muslim, use the search feature on the left side of Tim’s blog, and look for “Mushtaq_Omar”.
Or look for “David Heidelberg”, as he posted in both personnas. He has (had?) a blog, but I don’t recommend it unless you are a hardcore masochist. Or a leftard idiot.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 08 20 at 03:27 AM • permalinkekw, I missed the “Is he a Muslim?” point that Sortelli commented on so well.
Most of the terrorists are in fact Muslim. Not all, but most. However, the terrorists have a large non-Muslim support group, either intentionally or through useful idiocy.
Bryla is a terrorist apologist (although he would deny any such thing), but I don’t think that is his intent. No, Bryla is just a useful idiot.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 08 20 at 03:33 AM • permalinkWronwright, your sense that Ms Sheehan’s prioritising hasn’t put her son at the top of her list of cares. If not already referred to here, PowerLine reports that “she was so fervently anti-war BEFORE her son enlisted that she vowed to run him down with her car if he joined up”
Strange woman, her words follow.
“The first chance he got, my brave, wonderful, faithful, sweet, gentle and kind boy volunteered for a rescue mission as a Combat Life Saver. He was a Humvee mechanic who never should have gone on a mission like that. Casey and 20 of his buddies were sent into a raging insurgent uprising to rescue wounded soldiers. Only 13 of them returned. Casey was riding in the back of a trailer with no protection when they were ambushed. He was killed within minutes of the ambush.”
So as all know the guy was a hero, you don’t get the Bronze Star for nothing, well not since Kerry anyway. But no protection, what is this some sort of Occ health and Safety issue.
And then she discusses his sex life, hard to imagine 24 yr olds who have been in the armed forces for 4 years sharing with Mum as she would have us believe.
“Casey confided in me, though, that he wanted to get married and have children. He hoped one day to be a permanent Deacon in the church. Deacons can get married and serve the church in various ways. Casey also confided to me that he was a virgin and he wanted to save himself and give his virginity to his wife as a wedding present. “
Which leads me to a question. Several reports in 2004 referred to Casey as a father of twin daughters. Anyone know whether that was a mistake? If not she really is a weird woman.
Sortelli, I did not assume anything. I asked, Is he a Muslim? That is not an assumption, it’s a question.
Now, as to the reason I asked if he was a Muslim: His handle was, as far as I knew at the time, “The Real Jaffa.” I had no idea that he was playing off Jeff’s name. How could I? I did not know his name was Bryan Law or anything else about him. The word “Jaffa” just sounded Middle Eastern to me (BTW, had Bryla used a handle like “rainsong” I might have asked, Is this guy a hippie?). As I read his posts I wondered, is this guy a Muslim? Jaffa? Why was he banned? What’s the deal? Couldn’t you tell from my posts that I was trying to find out about this guy? Before you decide to educate me about what I might say that just might encourage or give ammo to people who could scream “racist,” don’t act like one of them yourself.
Now as to the thing you said about religion:
Let’s not invest so much weight in the religion here, that we see Islam at
the root of every dumb thing said on the internet. You’ve got to
shoot straighter, or you’re giving the apologists of tyranny free
ammunition to bitch about.I think this follows from your assumption that I was assuming, which I was not. When I asked if he was Muslim, I did so because I genuinely wanted to know. There are some Muslims on these forums right now who have said some of the best stuff I’ve read all week. This yob didn’t sound like them. I needed a bead. Was he pretending to be a Muslim so as to draw fire? At the expense of the people on here who are straight-up about themselves?
I don’t know how you view the current state of affairs in this world, but to me there is one religion which is accounting for the chaos and mayhem we are seeing, and that religion is Wahabism, radical Saudi-born and bred and supported Wahabist Islam, Salafism. If I am arguing wiht a Salafist, I need to know that. Because there is no use arguing with them. Bryla seemed to be such a guy. These people are doing what they are doing in the name of their religion. They are proud of that. It’s their entire raison d’etre. Therefore virtually no dialogue can exist without reference to this religion. Can’t be done.
(I did not post a rather long and detailed rebuttal to Bryla because he had been banned before I could post it. This rebuttal was what I would call a straight shot. If you want me to, I will email it to you. Then tell me, do I know how to pick my enemy off cleanly, very little blood, in a kindly, straigtforward manner, nothing ad hominem, or am I just a wild idiot with a shotgun, which, I think, is more or less what you are saying I am.)
ekwJeff, please read my post to Sortelli. He took what I said out of context. I was looking for information on a guy I never knew about before today.
A question is not an assumption. He made it look as if I were singling out Muslims for contempt, and that would give the enemies of Tim’s blog ammunition to attack us on a plane we do not operate from. He judged too hastily and shot from the hip, IMO. Read the original post I wrote. I was trying to learn something about the “Real Jaffa.” Maybe Sortelli was just trying to be nice and warn me, I can see that possibility, but he just ended up being condescending. At least it sounded that way to me.
ekw
Ros:
“[W]hat is this some sort of Occ health and Safety issue[?]”
Well of course it is, silly.
Every progessive person knows you don’t train and equip soldiers so that they might be put in situations where they could be killed doing their job.
Posted by JJM Ballantyne on 2005 08 20 at 05:59 AM • permalinkWhy the obsession with this woman? I don’t get it.
Obsession on who’s part?
If you mean the leftist/anti-war/anti-Bush/tin-hat brigade, it’s because she’s a useful idiot who has the MSM’s attention.
If you mean the rest of us, it’s because she’s a useful idiot of the leftist/anti-war/anti-Bush/tin-hat brigade, who has the MSM’s attention.
I’m pretty sure bryla’s a man, bongo.
Oh, that woman. Never mind!
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2005 08 20 at 09:28 AM • permalinkPost about something that bongoman’s interested coming up in, well, never.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2005 08 20 at 09:28 AM • permalinkSortelli, I did not assume anything. I asked, Is he a Muslim? That is not an assumption, it’s a question.
...The word “Jaffa” just sounded Middle Eastern to me (BTW, had Bryla used a handle like “rainsong” I might have asked, Is this guy a hippie?)
Let’s posit an analagous question… if it had been David Heidelberg himself using his real name would you have asked “Is he a Jew?”
It’s a fucking stupid question, paragraphs of rationalization aside. If you even have to ask it, you’re missing something. I’m quite convinced that you can walk on water otherwise, though, thanks to how many words you can put on a screen. Thanks.
(Just in case, if you see a brown guy that goes by “Jefe”, he’s probably mexican, not middle eastern)
O/T, I have to admit, Sortelli, that when I saw The_Real_Jaffa, the first thing I wondered was “Is this guy a Muslim?” But then I took another look and realized he was playing off The_Real_JeffS. It never occurred to me that it might be Bryla, though. I just can’t get my head around people who love to be abused.
Like Patrick, my first thought when I saw ‘Jaffa’ was Stargate. I resisted making snarky comments about lectures on foreign policy from alien janissaries, though, since there’s a port in Israel called Jaffa. And, coupled with the rest of it, it looked like some sort of inept attempt to play off JeffS’ name.
(There are also jaffa cakes, but they’re some sort of British cookie.)
I just can’t get my head around people who love to be abused.
Well, given Bryla’s career choice as a boy toy, I suppose he has to put up with a considerable amount of abuse. Maybe he’s just trying to give out some abuse here. If so, it’s a feeble attempt.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 08 20 at 12:02 PM • permalinkAm I the only one who figures:
-Cindy Sheehan was always a little daffy, and somewhat of a pain to those living and working with her.
-Her son joined the Army in a large part to get away from her.
-Her son re-upped in the Army because he enjoyed being away from her so much.
-She and her family and friends know this.
-He got killed in action, and this sent her right off the rails.
Anyone else get this vibe? Or have I missed something here?Sortelli, you know, one of the left’s most often used - and weakest - ploys is to immediately accuse someone of racism (or sexism or homophobia, etc.). They use it all the time. It halts all discussion. Now, I know you’re not a leftie, moonbat, etc. so why on earth are you escalating this? Jeff got what I was saying and was very gentlemanly about it. What is your problem?
Oh, btw, I accept your apology.
ekw
(There are 43 conservative Jews in the United States, and I’m one of them. We counted. Can’t say as I’ve ever met another Jew named Heidelberg, though. Is he a Muslim?)Actually, if Casey Sheehan was trained as a Combat Life Saver (troops who are not fully trained and MOS-classified medics, but who are given more than the basic first aid training all troops receive, to serve as “first responders”, he was going exactly where he was supposed to go and doing exactly what he was supposed to do on that mission.
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 08 20 at 03:53 PM • permalinkThere are 43 conservative Jews in the United States, and I’m one of them. We counted.
Ok, that was a great line. Personally, I’m not sure about the accuracy of that count. But if it’s one thing I like, it’s a rightwing death beast with a sense of humor. You should hear the jokes that Evil Lord Karl Rove tells. Real howlers.
Posted by wronwright on 2005 08 20 at 04:18 PM • permalinkwronwright. You should hear the jokes he tells after you leave the room.
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 08 20 at 05:05 PM • permalinkAs an evil rightwing deathbeast with a sense of humor (all us Joos have it, plus we wake up in the morning already knowing the spot price of diamonds), I have noticed over the years the slide in humor from the left. There was a time when the left had much more humor than it does now, and the right seemed to be the glum, glowering, humorless bunch. NOw it’s reversed. Either that, or when I was in their camp, back in the 60s and 70s, I just thought they were funnier. Today all they seem to have is invective. They are never self-effacing. They are full of self-righteousness and always see themselves as permanently occupying the high ground on every issue. I’m really amazed that some leftwing commentator like Jon Stewart doesn’t make some jokes about the permanent state of “outrage” the liberals are in. It’s such fertile ground for comedy. I guess it’s up to us.
ekw
Yeah, the count is off. Since there are so few of us to do the counting, it’s hardly worth the effort. BTW, we all read Commentary, that’s how we know each other.
ekw- I stand by my belief that it was a stupid question. I could point out that by calling my disagreement with you “escalation”, you’re playing the lefty victim card, but then we have cascaded into silliness.
(There are 43 conservative Jews in the United States, and I’m one of them. We counted. Can’t say as I’ve ever met another Jew named Heidelberg, though. Is he a Muslim?)
He’s as muslim as this guy was black!
Lets not dance around our racism here guys and gals. Be lets be men.
I’m just confused about one thing. If most jews are leftist, why does Bush support Isreal?
Posted by Cornered Dog on 2005 08 20 at 07:02 PM • permalinkSortelli, calm down, man. Lighten up. What you call silliness I (and some others, evidently) call humor. Whichever, it’s funny, and that was the point. I always find a way to get to the laugh. It’s in my nature as a Joo. We don’t like to make a tsouris, we like to make nice. We like to defuse situations, not make them worse.
Anyway, I already accepted your apology. You don’t need to keep abasing yourself before me, all that imploring and weeping and beating your breast…It’s getting embarrassing. And, please, please, please - and I can’t emphasize this enough - I don’t like people touching my feet however regal and god-like they may be.
ekw
Achillea - They are good. They are dry, spongy cookies topped with orange jelly, with the jelly being coated with chocolate. Interestingly, because they are classified as cakes, they are exempt from Value Added Tax, and are therefore cheaper than many other cookies and biscuits (why are cakes exempt from VAT? It may be that they are counted like things like fresh bread, which is also exempt, but I’m really not sure).
Bush supports Israel not because 95% of the Jews in this country are leftwing Democrats but despite that. There’s a big difference between Israel and the American Jewish community, though I believe that even a lot of the most leftist Jews send money to Israel and support our foreign policy there. I know that several of my Jewish friends here are Democrats who hate Bush but are very strong supporters of Israel (and credit Bush for remaining steadfast in his support - despite his being Hitler). As a people, we are famous for being conflicted, but hell, who else would support the mental health sector if we all suddenly became emotionally healthy? It’s like expecting Woody Allen to suddenly love Christmas, or me to clasp Saint Cindy’s hands and start singing Michael Row The Boat Ashore. Ain’t gonna happen.
ekw
ekw, How can you be friends with them if they think Bush is Hitler?
Posted by Cornered Dog on 2005 08 20 at 07:48 PM • permalink#91 They’re not ‘good’ they’re bloody marvellous!!!
However let’s not forget the Australian confectionary also named Jaffas which also doubled in years gone by as fun for annoying cinema managers.
Jaffas are a solid chocolate ball coated in an orange flavoured (and coloured) crisp candy shell about 12mms in diameter.
They are always sold at the candy counters in cinemas and back in the days before cinemas were carpeted, much fun could be had rolling them down the aisles. The manager would usually storm through the theatre at the noisy clatter of runaway Jaffas.
—Nick
Nick tells me that he only knows this story second hand because he’s not that old to remember cinemas before carpeting.
—Nora
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2005 08 20 at 07:53 PM • permalinkekw, How can you be friends with them if they think Bush is Hitler?
Dog, I can’t afford to not be friends with all the liberals I know or I’d have no friends at all. I live in Northern California for starters, try finding conservatives around here. This is Cindy Sheehan country. And the university I teach at is notorious as a hotbed of left-wing protest. I dread going back at the end of the month. That Bush Hitler thing will be all over the walls and in the courtyards.
I try and separate politics from friendship as best I can. I can’t allow these differences to upset important relationships. They don’t call Bush Hitler, at least not in front of me, and especially not if they are knowledgeable at all. Most of them are too intelligent to think there is any resemblance between GW and Hitler. They know their history too well, and they hate other libs who use that ignorant metaphor. People who are like that…I try to ignore them. I will even leave a place where someone is persistently saying that.
Uhhhhh… because it’s the right thing to do?
Sortelli has it just right. It’s simple, really.
JIC,
Jaffa Cakes are CAKES not cookies/biscuits. It’s worth a lot of money.
http://www.unitedbiscuits.com/80256C1A0047922E/vWeb/pcTSTT5EPGEB
jic - thanks. Live and learn. I don’t know how you recognized them unless they have similar writing styles, or their questions are worded in such a way as to identify them. Being asked how I can be friends with people who call Bush Hitler does seem rather remedial, I mean don’t a lot of people have friends and relatives who are diametrically opposed to them politically? Anyway, I can ignore the Dog person and Bryla is gone. Thanks again to Jeff who sent me back to March to read the archived threads that showed clearly why Bryan Law was tossed.
ekw
To be honest, I thought it was Bryla again. PW reminded me of Heidelberg’s MO. Anyway, we should take Andrea’s advice, and forget about them now.
RebeccaH—Aww… I really shouldn’t… okay, this one time after the cabal meeting when we were all hanging out with Wolfowitz and knocking back the Mogen David, K-man (we call him K-man) asks, “Hey, how many wronwrights does it take to change a light bulb?”
“How many, K-Man?” we all chorus spontaneously.
“None. You just tell him it’s a light bulb and he’ll go crazy trying to screw it in!”Ya hadda be there…
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 08 20 at 09:36 PM • permalinkThere is huge support for Israel in the Christian Right that supports Bush. The basis for this is Christian ideology which calls for Jews to return to Israel and then convert to Christianity as part of Christian prophesy. The Democrats have always identified with Israel’s left wing, union dominated kind of socialism. Hence IMHO why there tends to be rather broad support from middle left and right positions in America.
Yes, laugh it up McEnroe (said with a grimace while shining his AK47 assault rifle with endangered manatee fat for an especially lucious sheen). Yes, enjoy it while you can laughing boy.
But once I ascend to full fledge neocon status and I’m issued the specially approved balaclava and spit shined jack boots, the laughing shall be all mine.
(I hope that sounds rather Jack Nicholsonesque and not Woody Allen or some other smuck —gawd, why do I feel like I’m in Casino Royale?)
Posted by wronwright on 2005 08 20 at 10:15 PM • permalinkIf most jews are leftist, why does Bush support Isreal?
Gee, and here I thought Israel and Jews were two entirely seperate entities. I guess they’re seperate only when some lefty moonbat spouts against “Israel” and their fellow lefty moonbats rush to say, “Hey, she’s not anti-Semitic, she’s talking about Israel, not Jews...”
You stepped right in that one, bry.
There is huge support for Israel in the Christian Right that supports Bush. The basis for this is Christian ideology which calls for Jews to return to Israel and then convert to Christianity as part of Christian prophesy.
We’ve been supporting Israel for far longer than Bush has been president, and far longer than the Christian Right has been a political force. I hardly think Nixon was placating Christian apocalyptists.
Note to self: obtain profile and home address for RebeccaH from Neocon Central Computers (i.e., the Bat Cave).
For um, future reference.
(mutters to himself: “make fun of me, shall they ... damn Fully Ascended Masters of the Right Wing Death Cult ... just cause they get to sit at the table with Bush, Blair, and Howard ... didn’t see them helping me move a freaking lake in Russia, oh no ... lead a team of dogs against the Leaning Tower of Pisa, nope, none of them there ... did they so much as chipped in a few bucks when I was ordered to fax the fake memo at that Kinko store, sheesh, damn cheapos ... vengence shall me mine, oh yes, mine ... well, if Lord Rove says so I suppose ... better get his OK first ... but if he says OK, oh yes, vengence MINE”)
Posted by wronwright on 2005 08 20 at 10:33 PM • permalinkwronwright—Sounded a bit Larry Linville, actually…
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 08 20 at 10:44 PM • permalinkRob C. #78: I read somewhere that displacement is a possibility.
I have an interesting idea, but it’s complete speculation.
She’s angry at him for leaving and getting killed. She’s also angry at herself for letting him go and possibly that she drove him away. Either of these feelings would produce extreme guilt. The lefties recognized she was in this volnerable state and took advantage of it. They gave her a safe and plausible target to displace her feelings towards. The greater her guilt, the more frantically she’ll grab this lifeline and attack this other target.
Dave S.,
You pinned that one perfectly. It sounded phony and pitched a certain way that tweaked me. But I ploughed ahead and tried to answer it because I thought, well, it sounds a bit like a tricksey leftsey it does, but, you know, I’m kinda the new rightwing guncrazy bloodsuckingjewboyneoconhitler around here so I tried to be thorough and patient. But that very wording… yes, the wording…must remember… the wording… the Whinging Lords of the Moonbat Left use that very wording…. must…remember… no, Throbbo, the Ring, Throbbo, the Ring…is that your cell phone or mine? Throbbo…!
ekw
Out of curiosity’s sake, if we can find a parent of someone killed on 9/11 who wants Mecca nuked off the map, would his or her absolute moral authority require us to do it?
Posted by John Nowak on 2005 08 21 at 12:03 AM • permalinkSince I studied both Political Philosophy and American Government, I naturally thought the Jaffa reference was to Harry Jaffa, noted Americanist and political philosopher. Last taught at U of Toronto, I think.
Posted by JorgXMcKie on 2005 08 21 at 12:22 AM • permalinkThe basis for this is Christian ideology which calls for Jews to return to Israel and then convert to Christianity as part of Christian prophesy.
Well that certainly isnt my basis.
Mines more of a “Jews dont manipulate their youth into strapping themselves with explosives and walking into crowded places” kinda basis.
Or a “The IDF wears a uniform and its weapon openly unlike the palestinians” basis.
Or their is the “The jews are perfectly entitled to a homeland and a small country off the mediterranian is not too much to ask for compared to the land mass some other groups have” basis too.
Christianity wanting to spread its influence has nothing to do with it as far as I am concerned.JimC, re: #117. Your train of thought sounds reasonable, as you’ve described “blame projection”. I’ve seen this in action before, and it will drive people to do incredibly stupid things.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 08 21 at 05:43 AM • permalinkHey, wronwright! I’m in Ohio, home of the screaming meemies. Come and get me if you dare!
richard mcenroe, thanks for the fish.
No doubt Bush and his aides now wish he had met with her 12 days ago.
I hope this isn’t so. It seems to me that Bush is the only one not exploiting this woman’s grief for his own gain. In spite of her politics, and in spite of the hateful words, I can’t help but feel so sorry for her.
Rob C (#78) and Jim C (#117) are right on the money. Cindy Sheehan is not mourning. She is refusing to accept that a good person, a young person, a person precious to her, is dead. I don’t think it’s uncommon for those who lose some one close to them to react at first by looking for some one to blame— “the doctors should have found something”; “the city should have posted a warning sign”; “I should have done something to prevent this”. By turning her agony into a political rallying point, the anti-war crowd has driven Sheehan to what looks to me to be a near total breakdown. Through continuous TV and newspaper coverage of her and her “followers”, the media has pushed the people who were in the best position to help her through this – her family – to publicly reject her. I don’t think she even knows what words are coming out of her mouth anymore. I know she doesn’t care – she is in pain and she’s lashing out to cause as many others as she can to feel that pain.
So shame on “Camp Casey” followers. Shame on the 24x7 media frenzy. And good for George Bush for refusing to be a party to extending her time in hell through a second meeting that could only reinforce her increasingly irrational beliefs.
RebeccaH, I seem to recall you saying you lived in southern Indiana. Or was that terryelee? All you feisty lady neocons look alike to me.
Ohio, eh? What with the price of gasoline, all the better for me.
Posted by wronwright on 2005 08 21 at 10:25 AM • permalinkI’m here to defend and reclaim my handle, better late than never.
I am the real JAFA, with one ‘F’. Sure, I was preceded by oranges, sweets, cakes et al, but in blog terms I’m the original.
Back in ‘03 I incorporated JAFA in my URL after reading of a Californian restaurant run by Aussies, JAFA - Just Another F…. Aussie.
I saw it, I liked it, so I used it. Piss off Bryla, wanker.
Achillea, are you still sore over that? For the record, I stated that I was fairly sure you were NOT an Orion dancing girl but I couldn’t be sure about McEnroe. Or something like that.
No wonder my application to full fledged neocon membership had been placed on hold. And all this time I’ve been telling people that Senator Levin was probably responsible.
Posted by wronwright on 2005 08 21 at 07:37 PM • permalinkAchillea—Which one are you, Zoot or Dingo?
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 08 21 at 10:58 PM • permalink...hopefully in a form similar to the peril of Castle Anthrax.
Posted by Patrick Chester on 2005 08 21 at 10:58 PM • permalinkI see depraved minds think alike. ;-)
Posted by Patrick Chester on 2005 08 21 at 10:59 PM • permalinkHey, I like scantily clad, green dancing girls!!!!!!! With pointed ears, if possible.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 08 22 at 01:43 AM • permalinkAchillea: Get thee to a rental store and rent Monty Python and the Holy Grail immediately!
Posted by Patrick Chester on 2005 08 22 at 02:34 AM • permalinkAww, geez, another ancient hippy entertainer claws their way out into the sunlight, from whatever hole they were sleeping in, hoping for yet another extension of their fame.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 08 22 at 04:59 AM • permalinkJoan Baez—big whoop. When Janis shows up, I’ll believe these people have some kind of moral authority…
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 08 22 at 07:51 PM • permalink
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Tim, you really should have put the full quote in. Emphasis is mine:
This brings out two points about Sheehan. First, the anti-war element is perfectly happy to lie or misinform in making a point. With their “Bush lied, people died” mantra, this is a mixture of irony and hypocrisy.
Second, some elements of the left (e.g., Dana Milbank) do view Cindy Sheehan as a risk. Yet, in spite of her “strange comments”, they are willing to support her. Is this desperation or stupidity on their part? Certainly there is a degree of hypocrisy, given how the anti-war jumps on various members of the VRWC and their statements.
Another comments in the article. All emphasis is mine:
So the media ignores Cindy Sheehan until she becomes newsworthy (i.e., she’s protesting against Bush, not the WaPo or Dana). Hmmmmmmm! Is it just me, or do I detect a certain degree of bias here?