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A couple of Margo quotes:

I confess that I too see Howard as the leader of a criminal gang.

Australia is a criminal gang? Cool!

Remember Arthur Calwell’s “Two wongs don’t make a right”?

No, because he never said it.

Posted by Tim B. on 03/15/2005 at 01:10 AM
  1. Calwell never said that, but others might want proof that’s not contained on a site that talks about “John Curtain”.

    Posted by Quentin George on 2005 03 15 at 02:40 AM • permalink

  2. But is Howard a jolly swagman?

    Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 03 15 at 03:02 AM • permalink

  3. I can’t find the link, but I think Margo once said “Two thongs will ache all night”.

    Posted by surly on 2005 03 15 at 03:30 AM • permalink

  4. It is true - Margo and her ilk live in another world - but where?

    Posted by Louis on 2005 03 15 at 03:31 AM • permalink

  5. Margo’s playing a bit of ‘panty polka’ again it would seem. Now she’s salivating over Menzies! what a pity that her Sauron like eye has not rested upon any of the Labour Governments to have led us in the past 40 or so years.

    Posted by Nic on 2005 03 15 at 03:39 AM • permalink

  6. Margo just goes from strength to strength. Or is it more appropriate to say that when Margo hits rock bottom, she digs?

    Posted by Jihad Pundit on 2005 03 15 at 04:01 AM • permalink

  7. I thought Aussies were chaots. Aren’t gangs a little too organized for chaots?

    Posted by mythusmage on 2005 03 15 at 04:35 AM • permalink

  8. JC Himself on a pogo stick! Whenever I think Margo just cannot possibly get stupider, she proves me wrong.

    No joke, if we want to use ‘hit bottom, started to tunnel’ metaphors with Margo, we are going to have to switch to bloody wormholes in the space-time continuum.

    This planet is not big enough to contain a tunnel dug by Margo - she’d already be out the other bloody side and halfway to Alpha Centauri!

    SHE is a journalist? And Ramsay is too? And Adams?

    No wonder the breed is regarded so badly these days. It used to be you’d tell kids not to step in the dogshit. Now you tell them not to step in the journalism.

    MarkL
    Canberra

    Posted by MarkL on 2005 03 15 at 04:51 AM • permalink

  9. Sorry, I’m confused.

    Is Mr. Blair a Journalist?

    I’m reading through the site and seeing nothing but links to other sites with “witty” little tags added on.

    It’s not funny, and it’s not intelligent, it’s simply displays Blairs interest in Google.

    Mr Blair, until you produce a product that even comes close to the webdiary in terms of original content and readership then I suggest you keep your mouth shut.

    Posted by Davidheidelberg on 2005 03 15 at 05:03 AM • permalink

  10. Australia is a criminal gang? Cool!


    I bags being Michael Corleone. Kiss my hand humble button-men!

    Posted by C.L. on 2005 03 15 at 05:22 AM • permalink

  11. Sorry, I’m confused.

    You got that right.

    Is Mr. Blair a Journalist?

    Yes. That’s what he gets paid to do.

    I’m reading through the site and seeing nothing but links to other sites with “witty� little tags added on.

    Have we reached the destination of your train of thought yet?

    It’s not funny, and it’s not intelligent, it’s simply displays Blairs interest in Google.

    And journalism is meant to be all of the above?

    Oh, and is Tim’s blogging required to be journalism?

    Mr Blair, until you produce a product that even comes close to the webdiary in terms of original content and readership then I suggest you keep your mouth shut.

    And how original is what you’re writing, hmmmm?

    Until Margo stops saying things that are not correct, I encourage you not to suggest that Tim keeps his mouth shut.

    Posted by Andjam on 2005 03 15 at 05:24 AM • permalink

  12. CHRIST! She is a self-indulgent IDIOT!
    Just think of all those victims of unfashionable conflicts, who suffer unseen because they have to rely on the tender mercies of thoroughly RUTHLESS characters like Margo to expose their plight!
    If you’re being abused in a prison that ISN’T Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo Bay, or if you’re not being “occupied” by AMERICANS or crushed by some corporate entity that ISN’T American, then YOU’RE SCREWED, because so-called ‘bleeding heart’ Lefties like Kingston will simply step right over you…I guarantee it!!!

    Posted by Brian on 2005 03 15 at 05:30 AM • permalink

  13. David:

    Hard to take seriously from someone whose website presently features a critique of America’s “horrendously confused position” on the “Taiwan STRAIGHT.” Is that a drink or a sexual preference?

    Posted by C.L. on 2005 03 15 at 05:31 AM • permalink

  14. Just when I think David Heidelberg has hit rock bottom he comes back and displays wombat-like digging expertise.
    Seems to be in the Webdiarrhoey DNA.

    Posted by blogstrop on 2005 03 15 at 05:34 AM • permalink

  15. Davidhindenberg, on the other hand, has a candy-floss pink and mauve coloured weblog devoted to talking about Tim Blair and the site administrator here, Andrea Harris.

    Oh, that and using apostrophes in simple plurals. Whatever Margo has must be contagious.

    Posted by goldsmith on 2005 03 15 at 05:38 AM • permalink

  16. Hmm

    I wore my “I can’t even think Taiwan Straight!” t-shirt to the Pride festival last year.

    heh.

    Last night, my boyfriend and I watched “Queer Eye for the Taiwan Straight Guy”.

    uh..

    Gimme two Mai-Tais and a Taiwan, straight, bartender!

    Yeah, I’m stretching….

    Posted by goldsmith on 2005 03 15 at 05:43 AM • permalink

  17. On the subject of DavidHeidelberg’s spelling problems I note this remark from his critique of Tim Blair’s site:

    “A number of follow up comments are then posted by his loyal mignons (sic), all agreeing”.

    We had a good laugh at this solecism recently.

    David also needs to do a bit of work on “its” and “it’s”

    Posted by rexie on 2005 03 15 at 05:50 AM • permalink

  18. David,

    Alan Anderson and both wrote curteous comments to Webdiary during the last election, written with the express purpose of getting published by not being obnoxious etc. Polite, and courteous.

    We were not published because Margot practices censorship which we don’t.

    Neither does Tim unless it is an ad-hominem.

    So your comments are out of order, I am afraid.

    Posted by Louis on 2005 03 15 at 05:56 AM • permalink

  19. Rexie,

    too right, though I wonder whether mignon was the result of a spell correction in her word processor or worse still, that Margot dictates it and and underling types it. Must find out from my secret sources in Fairfax.

    :-)

    Posted by Louis on 2005 03 15 at 06:02 AM • permalink

  20. Ah, grammar/spelling pedantry - the last refuge of the imbecile - or the un original.

    The Taiwan straight is a play on words.  You know a card hand. Anyway, most people got it.

    Hey Louis, are you joking?  This site is notorious for banning anyone with a view contrary to that of the site author and/or administrator.

    I don’t agree that any comments should be banned, and that goes for webdiary.  It is just an unacceptable practice, and shows a lack of confidence in your argument.

    Posted by Davidheidelberg on 2005 03 15 at 06:22 AM • permalink

  21. Grammar, Spelling, Pedantry, the last refuge of the imbecile?
    Are you a teacher at a state school?
    David,
    I would ban you just because you are a waste of time and space. And I think the use of the term imbecile constitutes ad hominem.

    Posted by blogstrop on 2005 03 15 at 06:30 AM • permalink

  22. “This site is notorious for banning anyone with a view contrary to that of the site author and/or administrator.”

    True, I too have been censored by Admin for posting something off topic, but as your side of life only know how to shoot messengers, being intellectually unable to debate reasonably, there is little wonder some posts are culled.

    Your last sentence is an example of bad grammar - the conflation of two divergent thoughts in a single sentence. How a lack of confidence in my (undefined by you) argument has anything to do with the preceding clause in your sentence suggests a glib but still confused mind.

    Posted by Louis on 2005 03 15 at 06:34 AM • permalink

  23. Mr Blair, until you produce a product that even comes close to the webdiary in terms of original content and readership then I suggest you keep your mouth shut.

    Well Mr. Hindenburg, you got that one right. Nothing, nothing can ever be quite as original in its novelty, its stupidity and its sheer lack of logic as the Webdiary.

    For Tim to come close to the sheer genius that is Margo, Jack and Polly, he would need a frontal lobotomy to be able to do it.

    Posted by Nic on 2005 03 15 at 07:01 AM • permalink

  24. Louis, you’re a grossly condescending individual with an enormous sense of self-importance.  The same qualities your side of life tends to accuse the other of being.

    My use of the word “your” was not being used in relation to you.  It was in relation to the hypothetical scenario put forward, being the author of an article being too insecure to handle a contrary view.

    Blogstrop, once again you show your contempt for the lower classes.

    Grammar, Spelling, Pedantry, the last refuge of the imbecile?
    Are you a teacher at a state school?

    Your constant insults more than constitute an ad hominem, however, as a loyal servant to the evil ideology, you will be embraced as a mother holds a baby to her breast, by Blair administration.  Oh and I find your anonymity cowardly.  Much like a bully throwing rocks from behind his bigger friend.  Pathetic

    Posted by Davidheidelberg on 2005 03 15 at 07:03 AM • permalink

  25. Well,

    That proves it David, I never posted the comment:

    “Grammar, Spelling, Pedantry, the last refuge of the imbecile? Are you a teacher at a state school?

    Blogstrop did.

    “Oh and I find your anonymity cowardly.  much like a bully throwing rocks from behind his bigger friend.  Pathetic”

    David, I NEVER post anonymously.

    My contact details are there for all to note.

    By the way, not in the UK are you?

    Posted by Louis on 2005 03 15 at 07:10 AM • permalink

  26. No-one really cares a toss about your spelling or grammar, David Heidelberg. It’s just further grist for your victim mentality. David can’t spell. How dreadful. Leftie victim assailed by right wing grammar experts, who of course are ‘imbeciles’.

    Pathetic, David. Debate on your argument’s merits.

    Posted by ilibcc on 2005 03 15 at 07:15 AM • permalink

  27. Well, that looks like Heidie’s middle stump tumbling end to end towards the sight-screen.

    Posted by slatts on 2005 03 15 at 07:17 AM • permalink

  28. I thought it was “Two Wongs don’t make a white.”

    Posted by Paul on 2005 03 15 at 07:20 AM • permalink

  29. For the record:

    Seems fishing in the “Summatime and the living is easy” catches its own.

    Seems we caught a DH :-)

    Posted by Louis on 2005 03 15 at 07:20 AM • permalink

  30. Of course it would help if David Heidelberg’s respondents would actually read his comments before replying.

    Christ, that’s all we need. Lefties are are sanctimonious enough as it is.

    Posted by ilibcc on 2005 03 15 at 07:23 AM • permalink

  31. David

    “My use of the word “yourâ€? was not being used in relation to you.  It was in relation to the hypothetical scenario put forward, being the author of an article being too insecure to handle a contrary view.”

    May I ask where I wrote that article?

    I am sure readers here would also be interested.

    Ta :-)

    Posted by Louis on 2005 03 15 at 07:26 AM • permalink

  32. Guys,
    I think this is a ruse to ‘lure’ traffic to his site. No one could have this sort of thing and be serious:

    RWDB’s are evil. I actually believe this. Also people who don’t like animals and children are evil.


    Blogs that I like to read
    Margo Kingston’s Web Diary
    Daily Flute
    Mr Lefty
    Ms Fits
    Wathchdog of the wankers
    The Riot-Act

    I think its a ‘gee up’ pink background, calling people ‘bitch face’, surely its not serious?

    Posted by Nic on 2005 03 15 at 07:27 AM • permalink

  33. The Taiwan straight is a play on words.  You know a card hand. Anyway, most people got it.

    A play on words?

    How…convenient.

    Posted by Quentin George on 2005 03 15 at 07:33 AM • permalink

  34. Nic,

    Point!

    Posted by Louis on 2005 03 15 at 07:35 AM • permalink

  35. So what Margo and her contributors are saying is; “we don’t mind conservatives, as long as they are not conservative.”

    Menzies eschewed the name “Conservative Party” because he wanted to avoid comparisons with English Toryism. This term always had negative connotations in the former colonies where the political culture was traditionally dominated by classic 19th century liberalism.

    John Howard is the first Prime Minister to adopt the description of “conservative”. But, it was not until the 1960’s - with Barry Goldwater’s presidential bid - that the term “conservative” became popular in the US.  Until recently, the main centre right party in Canada went by the ridiculous name of “Progressive Conservative”. In New Zealand, the main centre right party is called the “National Party”.

    Why this obsession with party nomenclature? There seems to be a view -  adopted by people like Greg Barns -  that the Liberal Party it is really a liberal party, temporarily taken hostage by conservatives. This is pure Webdiary revisionism.

    BTW - welcome back David.

    Posted by Adam B on 2005 03 15 at 07:43 AM • permalink

  36. I think the rest of the quote from Margo is a gem:
    “Margo: Hi Stephen. I confess that I too see Howard as the leader of a criminal gang. I voted for Howard in 1996 and may have voted for him again in 1998”

    How can she remember who she voted for in 1996, but can’t be sure who it was is 1998?

    Posted by pog-ma-thon on 2005 03 15 at 07:51 AM • permalink

  37. Louis,

    Read my post again.  The second part was aimed at blogstrop.  He’s the cowardly name caller.

    Ilibcc. Victim mentality? 

    How exactly do come to that conclusion?

    I posted what I believe to be valid criticism of Blair.  He’s lazy. Which was followed by insults from contributors, and a pompous analysis of my spelling.  You’re the one without arguments.

    Posted by Davidheidelberg on 2005 03 15 at 07:53 AM • permalink

  38. David,

    Very simple - Alan and I wrote Margo’s webdiary with polite comments. She did not publish them.

    As both Alan and I would be considered significant commentators for the conservative side of politics, omitting our polite contributions leaves the readers with but one impression, does it not?

    Posted by Louis on 2005 03 15 at 08:22 AM • permalink

  39. I think Margo said, “Two bongs and I’m yours for the night.”

    Posted by Hanyu on 2005 03 15 at 08:25 AM • permalink

  40. So that is how Cleopatra caught Marc Latham, er Antony

    Posted by Louis on 2005 03 15 at 08:35 AM • permalink

  41. Mr. Heidelberg, who registered here again without permission, is banned. He has his own blog, he does not need to take over the comments here.

    Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2005 03 15 at 08:36 AM • permalink

  42. By the way, Heidelberg, that analysis of yours on Taiwan and China is ripping stuff. I’m a little surprised though that an insider like you uses your real name to publish.

    Posted by Hanyu on 2005 03 15 at 08:38 AM • permalink

  43. Ms. Harris

    I do think you should let Mr Hiedelberg continue. It amuses him so. And me for that matter.

    The best disinfectant is light and air. I firmly believe this is the reason the left is in their autumn. Now they have a plethora of media to propagate their ideas they can’t understand why they can’t sell one. The playing field levelled with the internet now a near perfect market for ideas. (A shotgun of metaphors…sorry it’s late and I’ve been drinking.)

    Posted by Dean McAskil on 2005 03 15 at 09:00 AM • permalink

  44. You should read the stuff I get from Henry! Yikes,

    Posted by Louis on 2005 03 15 at 09:00 AM • permalink

  45. Folks,

    Don’t dispairl, the left might be without air,

    but sure as apples are green, the left will a’gleam,

    a new policy to us demean.

    Posted by Louis on 2005 03 15 at 09:08 AM • permalink

  46. Heidelberg can’t even tell the truth about his own writing.  Not only does he repeat his “Taiwan Straight” play on words, he can’t even decide whether or not to capitalize “straight”.  But, in the words of PeeWee Herman: “I meant to do that…”

    Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 03 15 at 10:30 AM • permalink

  47. John Howard, John Howard
    riding through the night…
    John Howard, John Howard
    dum dum dum da-dum…
    He robs from the poor,
    and gives to the rich…
    silly bitch.

    Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 03 15 at 12:16 PM • permalink

  48. Tim - it was indeed “Two wongs don’t make a white”.  Allegedely said by Arthur Calwell in the late 40s or early 50s in defence of the white Australia policy.

    I was just a kid at the time, but I was raised in an intensely pro-labour home and it was frequently quoted at the time with much approval and always attributed to Calwell.

    Posted by Jack from Montreal on 2005 03 15 at 05:21 PM • permalink

  49. I know, I know! Preview is my fiend

    Posted by Jack from Montreal on 2005 03 15 at 05:23 PM • permalink

  50. I never have any problem getting my comments published on Webdiary.  The secret is to be quite inflammatory. I find that Lefties are really quite guilty about themselves and seem to revel in being told what a lot of evil, stupid sods they really are.

    Hence, when I tell Margo and her fellow travellers that their sort are the problem and not the solution, they bristle and then lay on one and all.  The result is that we all feel better.

    So I say we need David H here.  He is a tonic. If we don’t like what he says we don’t have to reply to his comments.

    Posted by Toryhere2 on 2005 03 15 at 05:25 PM • permalink

  51. David
    Anonymity a problem? Stiff!
    I suppose the secret ballot is on the skids in your world too. Curse that oddly voting dumbocracy!
    You might have noticed some disrespect for your views - they are your problem, David, not your identity, or mine.
    My contempt is for the state school system which seems to have forgotten how to teach things like grammar. Seemed to touch a social consciousness nerve though, in you.
    That’s also your problem.
    If you want to keep sticking your head up and being provocative, you’ll get shot at by the denizens here. Your problem.

    Posted by blogstrop on 2005 03 15 at 05:57 PM • permalink

  52. Grammatical quibbles?  No way.  These aren’t typos, are they?  You meant to type “Taiwan Straight.”  You’re incorrectly apostrophizing plurals.  That’s sloppy, and sloppy writing is sloppy thinking.

    But by all means, keep betting that straight.  The Anglosphere has a better hand: Orange Revolution, Cedar Revolution, Purple Revolution, and free Afghan elections.  Four of a kind, baby.  ‘All your chips are belong to us.  Ha ha ha ha.’

    Posted by Nightfly on 2005 03 15 at 06:54 PM • permalink

  53. David, I sent Margo two comments.  Just two. In the first I took exception to her argument against the war in Iraq and stated that by her standards we should not have waged war against Germany or Japan.  War is war after all.  She posted my message and immediately followed it with a blistering rebuttal.  With no chance for my reply.

    That’s not a fair dialogue.  That’s simply The Margo Kingston Show.

    In my second comment I merely said that I hope she never gets too tired to discontinue doing Webdiary.  We members of the VRWC so enjoy her, I mean we really do.  I don’t believe that comment made it past the censors.

    Posted by wronwright on 2005 03 15 at 07:52 PM • permalink

  54. In the past I’ve wondered about the need to ban commenters. But Ms. Harris is undoubtably one of the most experienced in weblog admin out there. I think she has a turd detector that is little sharper than most. This Heidelthing (don’t wont to give him even more Google links) person is nothing but a parasite. Agitating, trying to get traffic to his site. Considering the time he’s had to put a blog together, I was a little surprised to see how primitive it was. And I couldn’t believe his “analysis” of the Taiwan issue. Not even high school level - surely a satire on facile “reporting” (if so, it’s just not good enough - check out some quality satire and learn from it, David). Or is this the “standard” to which he wishes Tim Blair to adhere to? I don’t seriously think we’re dealing with an adult here, and if Ms Harris can spot these imposters early, all the better.

    In the end, though, it’s all in the words. Read Margo, read little David if you like. Then read Blair & Harris. Make your own judgement. It’s pretty simple.

    Posted by Henry boy on 2005 03 15 at 09:28 PM • permalink

  55. Hey David Heidelberg . . . fuck off! I hope you’re reading this because you can’t respond because the evil right-wing death machine is stomping all over your freedom of speech.

    And all with perfect spelling and grammar.

    Posted by steve68 on 2005 03 15 at 09:57 PM • permalink

  56. What a shame Iowahawk is not in Australia. I can see an excellent Puzo-style novella coming up.

    Posted by Henry boy on 2005 03 15 at 10:36 PM • permalink

  57. One of the wonders of the left is how they have always managed ot prortray the right as racist, yet scum like Arthur Calwell show who were always the most ardent supporters of the whitw Australia policy? The Australian Labor Party—Australia’s major Leftist party.
    Note that The white Australia policy was eventually abolished by a conservative government under Harold Holt.

    Posted by davo on 2005 03 16 at 06:39 AM • permalink

  58. David von Hindenburg offering solemn criticism and sage advise on writing techniques and article content to tim?  As though Herr von Hufflebluffle speaks from one professional to another?

    HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

    Sorry, gotta wipe the tears from my eyes….

    Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 03 16 at 06:42 AM • permalink

  59. But the really important question is, do two wrons make a wright?

    Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 03 16 at 10:23 AM • permalink

  60. grrrrrrrr

    Posted by wronwright on 2005 03 16 at 11:36 AM • permalink

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