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“MANY WOULD REACT AS HE HAS DONE”
Via Nick & Nora Charles, who were first to this story, further on that alleged attempted honour killing:
A religious feud between a Muslim father and his teenage daughter may have sparked a bloody domestic dispute on the Gold Coast which left the man’s wife dead and him fighting for life in hospital.
Police are investigating suggestions the violence erupted after the 17-year-old girl told her father she wanted to opt out of the Islamic faith and convert to Christianity. The girl’s mother is believed to have stepped in to protect her daughter, only to be fatally stabbed with a kitchen knife ...
Neighbour Caitlin Dalton was taking out the rubbish about 7pm on Monday when she heard “loud, huge, terrifying screams” coming from the unit complex.
Ms Dalton said that as residents tried to comfort the sobbing girl, she told how she had wanted to “convert from the Islam religion ... and obviously her father didn’t handle it very well”.
Obviously. The Gold Coast Bulletin:
Bangladeshi-born Dr Muhammad Hussain, 49, remains under police guard in a critical condition in the Gold Coast Hospital as police piece together the circumstances leading to the death of his 41-year-old wife, Yasmine.
Mrs Hussain, who had arrived on the Gold Coast with her 17-year-old daughter at the weekend from Adelaide, died at her upmarket Southport apartment after receiving stab wounds to the chest.
A Muslim source told The Gold Coast Bulletin last night that Dr Hussain arrived a month ago to take up a position as a GP and prepare for his family to join him.
“From what we understand the daughter decided to tell her father of her radical plan to convert to Christianity which, in the eyes of most Muslims, is totally unacceptable and to be honest, sadly, many would react as he has done,” said the source.
“It is the Islamic way that if a son or daughter does or plans to do something that is unacceptable or wrong for a Muslim then it is the mother who is automatically at fault and will bear the brunt of the blame.”
See? It’s not always fun being a woman under Islam.
“.....many would react as he has done”?
Apart from understandable stabbing reactions of its’ members, it’s a “peaceful” “religion”.
Posted by eraserhead on 2006 10 11 at 06:33 AM • permalinkIt’s not only Australia going through this sort of horror. I am living in Lyon, France and we had our first (but probably not last) schoolyard stoning of a young girl. Her ‘crime’? She ate a snack at school despite knowing full well that it was Ramadan.
Linkage to translation of Frog Speak
Note that the local Islamic leader was sympathetic to her cause. He:
deplores the ignorance of the pupils, who should be taught the Koran at school, and who are unaware that “women who are not feeling well” are exempted from observing Ramadan.
Besides the call to study the Koran in the state school (because we really want to give up, y’know, the modern secular state) it seems to imply that the actions of the pupils would have been fine if the girl was feeling well.
Not at all a nice religion for women.
Posted by Villeurbanne on 2006 10 11 at 06:41 AM • permalinkA Doctor???? even the educated ones are evil.
Posted by surfmaster on 2006 10 11 at 06:59 AM • permalinkWhya re you surprised? Barbarians act like barbarians.
The brilliant ray of hope in this tragedy is that the young woman will convert from that barbaric false religion. That should be the aim of all of us, to convert their women away from islam.
It’s how we can either cripple that false creed, or force them to conduct a reformation.
MarkL
canberraI realy want someone to explain to me what is in it for Australians in letting people who want to live under a theocracy into Australia?
Using small words and avoiding the topic of food would be nice.Id actually like to see Australia only take gay/lesbian refugee applicants from the ME. When they got here one extra test “prove it”.
Plus it would garner a group with good reason to fear any intro of shirah into oz.
And youd hear lefty heads exploding as Vanstone or Ruddock announced it.
Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 10 11 at 07:19 AM • permalinkIf a doctor carries on like this, it begs the question - what the fuck is a moderate muslim? A contradiction in terms?
Ever seen the movie “Chasing Amy”? If so, remember the scene about Santa, the Easter Bunny, and the man-loving lesbian?
That’s what a moderate Muslim is.
Posted by Rob Crawford on 2006 10 11 at 07:29 AM • permalinkIn France this story would hardly have been reported and if so would have been classed as another “domestic disturbance”.
At least the Gold Coast Bulletin lays it on the line, even if the Police will use their sugar coated glaze learnt from their PC educators.
Look at the horrific Ilan Halemi Case, this has been swept under the carpet, there has been no news for months.
And don’t forget that initially, the french police tried to cover up the racist aspects but had to admit them under pressure from the outraged french public.
Unfortunately, the problem is world wide- wherever muslims commit horific crimes the press cover up for them.
But the Australian press is far more honest than most because the progressive left is not as strong over here.“It is the Islamic way that if a son or daughter does or plans to do something that is unacceptable or wrong for a Muslim then it is the mother who is automatically at fault and will bear the brunt of the blame.”
Wow.
I didn’t know Freud was Muslim.
Posted by John Fembup on 2006 10 11 at 07:52 AM • permalink“an outraged French Public” -would not have allowed things to get this bad for this long.The French have proven themselves to be abject cowards,moral cowards,exponentially STUBBORN and WILFULLY stupid-refusing to acknowledge any Western values and nurturing hate towards the U.S.
Any nationality which deliberately decides to ruin its livelihood,trash its history and rich culture for the benefit of those who place no value on France or the (real) French -is terminally obstinate..isn’t it just like the French to BITE the hands that feed them.
GROW UP AND SEE THE WORLD AS IT REAALLY IS
NOT HOW YOU WANT IT TO BE.I grew up in Broadmeadows, a northern suburb of Melbourne. Anyway, around 25 years ago, a young Turkish girl who went to the local high school was killed by her father, who then dismembered her body, stuffed the parts into a bag, and dumped the bag in some bushland off the Hume Highway. He was pissed off because she had a boyfriend.
Islamic honour killings aren’t exactly new . . .
Posted by Oafish and Infantile on 2006 10 11 at 08:56 AM • permalinkBe prepared for the Gold Coast Bulletin story to disappear within a few days - they don’t archive for very long.
The Bully, as it’s known locally, is an odd paper, widely reviled for an overblown ‘shock horror’ style of reporting driven from the top by a managing editor who apparently thinks it’s still 1970 and he’s still 24.
The pages are full of photos of young girls in bikinis wherever possible and the paper is vociferously pro-Schoolies (an annual teen tourist orgy of underage boozing and sex) and pro-all night opening for nightclubs but also reports with breathless outrage the almost weekly teen gang riots and stabbings at mob-crashed parties in the suburbs and shrieks loudly about young ‘hoons’ racing on the M1 motorway.
Frankly, the publication is schizophrenic.
However, in completely lacking any form of discretion, it sometimes produces such un-nuanced stories as this.
#21 - Nora and I noticed that too. I wonder if the mother started it and got in the way in the frenzy that followed.
—Nick
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2006 10 11 at 09:22 AM • permalinkWhat’s the age of majority in Australia? Is it 18? If so, I hope the girl can find a safe hiding place until she passes her next birthday. Sending her back to *any* of her relatives would probably constitute a death sentence.
I wonder if she’d actually visited a church, or been talking to Christians about conversion. Maybe those folks can look after her for a while.
Posted by Sonetka's Mom on 2006 10 11 at 09:24 AM • permalinkI see that Miranda hasn’t jumped in to complain about “Muslim bashing” here. Must be extra hard for even him/her to rationalize valid concerns and anger into bashing under these circumstances.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 10 11 at 09:59 AM • permalinkHaving worked in Bangladesh, all I can say is that this is not surprising. Rural women live in conditions that can only be described as incarceration, and after a certain age can only be seen outside the house with their father, brother, cousins or husband. Or preferably not at all. That millions would rather leave this to work in garment factories in Dhaka - and live in slums where gangsters beat, rape and murder them - suggests how they view life as a woman. I’ve spoken to girls who say that working in a Dhaka factory for a pittance and living in a room with 30 other woman where they sleep on the floor is “freedom” by comparison.
“her radical plan”
. . . to exercise religious freedom.
“many would react as he has done”
Really? I can’t think of a single person I’ve met during a half century of life—and that includes stone killers in third world shitholes—who would do anything like this. And I come from a family which, a generation ago, frowned on marriages ‘outside the faith.’
the mother who is automatically at fault and will bear the brunt of the blame
Do what I say or the dog gets it. These people are unbelievable.
The story appeared on the SMH newswire at 6:59pm AEST and is yet to be escalated to headline status. Naturally the article is full of the usual meaningless pfaff about “most Muslims would be horrified” blah blah blah. They also wheeled in some expert to throw the scent.
Presumably he had his fingers crossed when he took the Hippocratic oath?
Posted by Jim Geones on 2006 10 11 at 10:40 AM • permalink#24 Sonetka’s Mom
I read the report that all of her relatives were overseas and immediately thought as you did. It would be criminal to send her back to these animals after it has been published that she wanted to convert to christianity. She would be ostracised and murdered.
I lived on the Gold Coast for 24 years before moving up to China and know that there are many strong churches that would welcome the opportunity to care for this poor young woman. I don’t think even the rabidly PC Queensland Police would consider this but lets be vigilant.
#29 Murph
The expert referred to in your comment, Kathryn Robinson, an anthropologist at ANU has many obscure titles under her list of key publications but “Love and Sex in an Indonesian Mining Town” caught my eye.
A change of hair stylist may be beneficial before her next visit or she may be out of luck.
#22 “Anyway, around 25 years ago, a young Turkish girl who went to the local high school was killed by her father…Islamic honour killings aren’t exactly new”
Do you have any idea what happened to him, legally speaking? And is there any way to know if he’s still in jail. Sadly, I’m guessing he’s not.
Hmmm.
What I’m concerned with is the inevitable backlash. The basic rule of thumb is that the ferocity of the backlash is proportional to the number of offenses given, severity of the offenses and the length of time between the offense and the backlash.
And all three are climbing like monkeys on crack.
When the bubble bursts and radical muslims find out what kind of crap they’ve started it has the potential to go right to the ultimate extremes. We could see mass rescinding of citizenship along with mass deportations.
The flip side is that the Western world probably won’t have any patience whatsoever for any other similar nonsense from any other ethnic or religious group.
Posted by memomachine on 2006 10 11 at 12:18 PM • permalinktwenty thousand french marched through Paris protesting at the horrific slaughter of Ilan Halemi by Muslim gangs.Its only when folks do that that the authorities have to stop imposing thier PC lies.
Even when French girls are gang raped in cellars by young muslim gangs, the French press does not report it using the M word.A new theory of the crime, supported by today’sGold Coast Bulletin:
The mother was escaping from Islam by proxy. Amazingly she had persuaded her husband to send their daughter to a Christian school in Adelaide. We posit that when the daughter announced her apostacy, the father demanded that his wife kill the girl as her ‘crime’ was the mother’s fault. The mother, tried and hesitated, then stabbed the father, possibly in self defence as he tried to take the knife and finish what his wife started.
—Nick and Nora
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2006 10 11 at 04:47 PM • permalinkAnother great thing about being a Muslim woman: 1. Polygamy. Polygamy. Polygamy. Husband one fine day brings home a new wife. Oh, you’re not divorced, dear, you’ll just be living in the storeroom from now on. Husband by default keeps kids in case of divorce; women expected to be under “guardianship” of either husband, father or brother at all times, so… what’s she gonna do? Another version: prostitution disguised as polygamy. There are two versions of this in Islamic law (Shia/Sunni) but basically, husband takes a fancy to a prostitute, marries her for an hour, saunters home. Repeats as he pleases. No haram done.
Of course they play down things like that when presenting the Faith to the Infidel.Posted by arrowhead ripper on 2006 10 11 at 06:32 PM • permalink#23- If you think the Bully is a tabloid terror, what about the Sun?
BTW- my missus was a page three girl in the Sun, I believe just after the invention of the daguerreotype*; a glimpse of those ankles would send ol’ Doc Hussein into a stone-flingin’ knife swingin’ frenzy.
(*Ducks assorted hurled cutlery, recoils from threats of domestic violence…)
#40 Habib, where The Sun succeeds by excess, the Bully is a mere shadow.
;-)
—Nora
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2006 10 11 at 08:23 PM • permalinkAs one of the backup police units attending the scene I can say it was pretty damn horrific.
#15 Davo - The Police have not sugar coated this incident or it’s cause at all. The media does all the sugar coating. The A/Detective Inspector has been telling it like it is.
Investigations are continuing but the truth is pretty much out.
A Local Muslim Leader was on the Gold Coast news last night. He even managed to slip in the line “Islam is the religion of peace”. I am reminded of the movie Princess Bride where one character says to another “You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means”.
I think someone needs to give these people a dictionary because mine defines Peace as ‘Calm, quietness, absence of anxiety, freedom from war, harmony between people’. No mention of daily global slaughter or fathers butchering their families.
oh… and, er, thanks to the conservative bloggers who have made sure that people here about this dreadful event - surely every time something like this happens (and attempts to hush it up are thwarted), the penny drops for a few more people.
and thanks to the attending policeman who posted here - power to you
Moderate Muslim - one who is yet acquire explosives.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2006 10 12 at 12:09 AM • permalinkThe following is certainly not meant to minimize the tragic circumstances listed above. The thought of these idiots running around without any countervailing force after 2008(maybe) is too much. Hence.
I was struck be the strange juxtaposition of some words in one of the sentences. The one that had “woman” and “at fault” in the same sentence without the insertion of the word “never”. You know the one.
As an American male I am unfamiliar with that sentence structure. Could it be the outcome of one of the following?
A pretext to the magnetic polar shift?
Some mutation brought about by gerbal worming?Where can an American male, especially a husband, go to learn about this strange and wonderous concept. Is there a night extension class available? A new book or tape? A new Tony Robbins seminar perhaps?
I’ve played all my Toby Keith, Charlie Daniels’ Band and Hank Williams Jr records backwards and still nothing.
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If a doctor carries on like this, it begs the question - what the fuck is a moderate muslim? A contradiction in terms?