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NATURE’S CRUELLEST JOKE
The claim: global warming caused the California wildfires.
The reality: California wildfires cause global warming:
In one week, Southern California’s wildfires spewed the same amount of carbon dioxide — the primary global warming gas — as the state’s power plants and vehicles did, scientists figure.
Solution: replace those fire-prone polluting forests with clean-burning hybrid trees! C’mon, tree manufacturers; modernise, and stop living in the carbon-generating past.
I have an energy efficient electric tree, it is made of plastic and only gets lit up once a year, usually around 25 December. Never seen a forest of plastic trees burn down.
Posted by surfmaster on 2007 11 01 at 04:21 AM • permalinkBurning trees is ok.
That’s renewable energy.Posted by pog-ma-thon on 2007 11 01 at 04:48 AM • permalinkOT, but the ever credible Dr Karl
KruzzlenickyKrusselnickieFuzzyknickers, grrr, let’s just call him Dr Karl, is calling clean coal technology “Nazi propaganda”. More irony lost on idiots.OFF TOPIC:
Noel Pearson and Clive Hamilton in the running for Australian of the Year.
Click the link to have your say.
Posted by Young and Free on 2007 11 01 at 06:07 AM • permalink#16 Dr Clive Hamilton - Wellbeing activist Wellbeing activist? how come he always makes me feel ill then?
Posted by eeniemeenie on 2007 11 01 at 06:15 AM • permalinkas for trees , wouldn’t trust ‘em an inch. Always whispering behind your back, dropping leaves in your pool,hanging round with Bob Brown and lurking at the side of roads ready to leap out at your car.
Posted by eeniemeenie on 2007 11 01 at 06:25 AM • permalinkHell, Tim, the logical solution is to replace the trees with powerplants.
Posted by Mr. Bingley on 2007 11 01 at 06:40 AM • permalink18 - I’m not so sure the trees are that fond of Bob. You never saw one hug him, did you?
Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2007 11 01 at 06:56 AM • permalinkThat’s OK R Gehlen. If the Democrats are anything like the Labor Party, (and they win the presidential election) they’ll order a committee formed and an investigation done. Once the money for that runs out, they’ll declare it the Republicans fault and they will all feel good about the positive contribution they’ve all made. In the meantime, Arnie will have flexed his biceps and frightened every able bodied person in California (with the exception of San Francisco [we all know why]), into joining his volunteer Wild Fire Terminators with his punchy line “They’ll be back - next time we’ll be ready for them - Girlyfires!”.
Posted by Richard Sharpe on 2007 11 01 at 07:33 AM • permalinkThis is the same Dr Karl Kruszelnicki who drove around australia a few years ago in a Toyota Landcruiser diesel 4wd with caravan, speaking to the ABC’s Ian Macnamara every step of the way about what a fabulous journey he was taking, the wonderful people he was meeting, the wondrous sights he was seeing with his family?
Ol’ Dr Karl pitched up almost every Sunday morning on Macca’s ABC program, reporting in on his latest adventures in remote Australia. Many scientific facts were sent forth. Everyone loved it.
The things you can do with diesel.
Now he’s clean n’ green.
As Tony Abbott would say…Bullshit!!!
Aha, this must be one of those positive feedbacks in the climate models I’ve been hearing about.
CO2 = global warming
Global warming = fires
Fires = CO2It’s sooo natural!
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2007 11 01 at 08:27 AM • permalinkThe exact same Maree. Of course, three years ago not many people had heard much about global warming, so he didn’t have to worry about it back then.
Which is why it’s always funny to hear Rudd say “The Coalition has failed to act on climate change for the past 11 years, and we see that as a failure.” No one knew about this scam 11 years ago. If we did, we would have got in at the start!
#16 Too many activists, humanitarians, advocates and supporters for me. Ecological arhcitect? Does he design holes in the ground?
If we must have an “activist”, let’s have Noel Pearson.
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2007 11 01 at 08:37 AM • permalinkIn response to a certain nitwit here, I think the fires were made worse by arsenists and under-brush.
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2007 11 01 at 08:39 AM • permalink#18
Trees…lurking at the side of roads ready to leap out at your car.
Heh heh, good one eenie.
They are also falling on your roof every time there is a bit of wind or rain.
I have just under 1000 trees on my rural block.
This box gum was termite infested and has tried to kill me three times over the years. They don’t call them widow-makers for nothing.
I finally went through the hoops to get council permission to cut it down. You have to complete a 13-page application form which includes 38 questions to be answered. Then there is a 3-week delay before the over-worked Inspector of Trees (BSc, ecology) could get out to inspect the tree and make sure I had told no lies on the form. Written permission granted two weeks after that with instructions to plant two new native trees to replace the one I was cutting down.
The bastards are all stark raving mad.23 R Gehlen
Avoidance 101..Nice try.
LOS ANGELES — Eight Marine helicopters were at the ready to help fight the California wildfires but were grounded due to government red tape, lawmakers said Friday.
This prevented some firefighting teams from getting to the largest U.S. natural disaster since Hurricane Katrina.
Reps. Darrell Issa, Duncan Hunter and Brian Bilbray — all California Republicans — arrived Tuesday evening in southern California for an emergency services update meeting on the fires, and were told that a California policy that required a state firefighter to fly on military flights was keeping available military choppers out of the air.
“This was a mistake,” Issa spokesman Frederick Hill told FOXNews.com Friday, speaking of the policy. “There’s no question that the process needs to be re-evaluated here.”
O/T, but this has to have been the worst idea for a documentary, ever.
#31, Ash,
Dr Karl is probably curling into a little ball of hypocrisy now. How can he drive one of those foul diesel monsters for 18-20000km (as the spouse and I did) and now pretend to be a green (as the spouse and I never will)??
You’re either true or a fake.
Karl’s a fake who likes to have his parts rubbed up by JJJ people and those of the green persuasion.
Give me Noel Pearson any day as a reputable person.
Re #23, you’re just throwing out assertions and crap, Gehlen, to get people riled up (and for the fun of it, I’ll bet). It’s clear that you have no clue as to how wildfires are attacked, how local fire districts in California are paid for, nor how mutual aid works.
I say that because your statement is so full of errors, assertions, and guesses that it might have been written by a junior speech writer on Ron Paul’s campaign staff.
Congratulations, you’ve just demonstrated to everyone that you’re a particularly stupid troll.
Me, I like Mr. Bingley’s idea—replace the trees with power plants.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 11 01 at 09:31 AM • permalink#41 He’s not quite so cute projectile vomiting on his mum…..as he did not 5 minutes ago.
Posted by Richard Sharpe on 2007 11 01 at 09:35 AM • permalinkRichard, a beautiful baby! But why no suitable clothing?
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 11 01 at 09:35 AM • permalink#46 Does it come in Australian pattern? I’d hate to have people confuse his allegiences. This ought to make it clear where his loyalties lie.
Posted by Richard Sharpe on 2007 11 01 at 09:47 AM • permalink#49, Very cute Ash. It’s probably very telling that we live at different ends of this continent. Ours spends most of his time as nude as possible and yours is wrapped up to ward off frostbite.
Posted by Richard Sharpe on 2007 11 01 at 09:52 AM • permalinkSlightly more on topic, I found this at Boltas. Quite damning for our rotund messiah of doom.
Posted by Richard Sharpe on 2007 11 01 at 09:55 AM • permalinkI’ve just tonight worked out this Photobucket thing, so forgive my childlike enthusiasm. While we are on the topic of views, this is from my balcony.
Posted by Richard Sharpe on 2007 11 01 at 10:05 AM • permalink#23 Gehlen’s is actually a one-size-fits-all lefty argument. Try it.
“Unfortunately the Republican, anti-tax, pro-business policies of local governments in the area mean’t” . . .
An increase in gang violence.
A large increase in illegal aliens.
Lower public-school scores on the SAT
Dirtier air
Traffic congestion
More homeless people . . .
See how easy it is? You can telegraph an awful lot of opinion with just those few magic words. And the absence of facts makes transmission even faster!
Thanks Ash, I just love ringing mates down south, usually in July/August, when I’m sitting outside on a chilly night (you know, somewhere in the mid to low 20s) to hear about how things are in Canberra or Albury. For some reason they always get upset. I just can’t fathom it.
Posted by Richard Sharpe on 2007 11 01 at 10:27 AM • permalink#61 You are so cruel Richard! Either that, or I’m just incredibly jealous.
Here’s the view at my old house, and the local birdlife.
55 Paco
Yep…And after walking UP a half mile or so, a stiff breeze which is why I did remember to wear substantial clothing (but me fingers were damn cold)...the pic’s didn’t turn out to bad.
One finds the damnedest or oddest things, at high elevations…like the “Free Expression Area”. I mean, who in the hell is going to hear you?
Also took a pic of a Gaea Eater, straight out of Iowahawks garage.
You’ve no idea how hard it is to look out at that view, but know that those suckers mean that swimming is definately not a good idea.
Posted by Richard Sharpe on 2007 11 01 at 10:37 AM • permalinkOn crocs, and vaguely trying to get back on topic, I had my mother-in-law up recently. She started carrying on about how global warming would be catastrophic for the crocs. The rationale was that because their eggs are sensitive to temperature (which they are), that a warmer climate would make them unable to reproduce. In the interest of making nice with the in-laws, I bit my tongue about exaclty how old the species was and how many warm periods and ice ages we’ve had since crocodiles first roamed the earth with the dinosaurs. She’s an Age reading Melbournite who is very fond of the yartz. I’m not sure logic would register anyway.
Posted by Richard Sharpe on 2007 11 01 at 10:50 AM • permalink#71 Not at all Texas Bob, they are affectionately referred to as Cammy Jammys.
Posted by Richard Sharpe on 2007 11 01 at 10:54 AM • permalink#77, Family harmony only exists when she’s the only person who speaks. I won’t get started, but you know how there is always an evil mother-in-law? In our case it’s her. She’s so phenomenally stupid that she didn’t really have any choice but to be a lefty drone. I’ll concede that I’m not that fond of Victoria to start with, but the obligatory trips that come with having married a Victorian make me all the more determined never to cross the Tweed River every time I’m there. Anyway, young Sharpe Jr has awoken and needs to be dealt with. Ash, I’ve just realised what time it is where you are. Go to bed woman!
Sharpe out.
Posted by Richard Sharpe on 2007 11 01 at 11:12 AM • permalink#78 I’ll go to sleep soon, but no doubt Miss Ash will wake up very soon and expect me to feed her. Either that, or she’ll dial out for pizza, and I’m not sure I’ve got enough in my wallet to cover her doing that.
Either way, it’s easier to sit up and wait for her to wake for feeding than it is to go to sleep and have her wake me 20 minutes later.
Some San Diego County facts:
The place is bumpy, real bumpy. We also have a lot of gullies, one of them over a mile wide. Makes it a real bitch to build roads that go where you want them to. Now add in a thriving population of real big weeds that dry out real fast, and you’ve got a wildfire paradise.
Helping this along are the numerous ordinances, regulations, and laws saying you can’t touch our sacred weeds, and litigation saying you can’t touch our sacred weeds or we’ll take everything you own and you get a situation where fuel builds up while new plants are strangled before the can really get going and wildlife starves because it can’t get food.
In contrast you have the Indian reservations in San Diego County, where tribal law applies and things are remarkably different. They do get wildfires, but those are more easily handled. Especially since the Viejas Fire of 2001.
The problem is, fanatic environmentalists aren’t against environmental damage, they’re afraid of change. Nature is in a constant state of change, and the eco-nits hate that. They want things to remain forever the change, so letting matters proceed as they normally would can not be tolerated. Measures must be taken.
So you get a build up of fuel, which in this climate and the periodic santana winds means the inevitable occurence of catastrophic wildfires.
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greatly appreciatedreally, desperately needed. A buck, fifty cents even… Ahem. So visit today.)Posted by mythusmage on 2007 11 01 at 01:53 PM • permalink#39 El Cid;
Just to help R Gehlen get the point, it should be noted that California’s legislature has been dominated for decades by Democrats, not Republicans.
Meanwhile, Gehlen is pretty sprightly for a dead guy:
Reinhard Gehlen was Hitler’s chief of eastern front intelligence. At the end of the war, he went west and surrendered to the U.S., spilled his guts, and every bit if information he could pass on to the new CIA, and ended up running West Germany’s BND for the next 20 years or so. Died in 1979.
Like I said, mighty sprightly for a dead guy.
Hybrid trees? Great. Now we got to worry about lightning when it isn’t raining…
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2007 11 01 at 02:56 PM • permalink#23. R Gehlen
Sorry to burst your bubble. If we had had every fireman in the country here in S.D. at the beginning of these fires, it wouldn’t have made a damn bit of difference. If we had had every plane in the U.S. capable of firefighting here in S.D., it wouldn’t have made a damn bit of difference. That was the nature of these fires, the Santa Ana winds, the topography and the vegetation. It situation was uncontrollable in the beginning.
The politicians are infinitely more dangerous than any fire.
Now I’ll finish reading the rest of the comments and hope I haven’t simply repeated what others have said.
mojo
Clingman’s Dome
Known as Kuwahi or Mulberry Place to the Cherokee, this high peak was one of four mountain peaks under which the bears had their townhouses, where they would gather to dance before going to their dens to sleep for the winter. According to Cherokee mythology the Magic Lake was also located here - where sick and wounded bears would go for healing. To human eyes, however, the magic lake just looked like clouds filling the valleys from the vista of the mountaintop. When Removal threatened the Cherokee, these slopes became a refuge for those who hid in their rugged terrain. More importantly, however, this mountain was held sacred by the Cherokee. The legends say that at one time, medicine people came here to fast and pray, and they received instructions from the Creator on how to live. These instructions were brought down the mountain and given to the people at the village of Kituhwa.
Kuwahi became Clingman’s Dome, named for Thomas Clingman, senator from North Carolina, who in the mid-nineteenth century disputed with Edwin Mitchell the most accurate way to measure the height of mountains. Although the senator argued that another peak in the Black Mountains was highest, Clingman’s Dome, at 6,643 feet, is the highest peak in the Smokies, while Mt. Mitchell, in the Black Mountain Range east of Asheville, is the highest peak east of the Mississippi.OH…the Dome part..shhhhh, Tom had head lice…lol.
#73 Richard, wouldn’t that mean that the crocs would migrate to Melbourne? Ah, that would be nice; then we could dive North Australia in safety and read newspaper reports of some lefties being chopped by crocs.
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2007 11 01 at 07:02 PM • permalink#81,
We got some rain thanks to hurricanes and tropical storms this year, that’s the problem. Meant extra dry brush when the santana winds came this year. What hurt us is the fact the winds were driven by a pressure differential. Thus were stronger than they would normally be, and consequently drier. Add in a heavier than normal supply of fuel and you get a potentially disasterous situations.
Now here’s something to think about, the burns weren’t complete. At worse only half of the fuel in the burn zones actually burned. There’s still a lot that could burn if fires were started again.
Posted by mythusmage on 2007 11 01 at 10:20 PM • permalink#93, fine but you don’t mention the reason for the pressure differential. Bush caused global warming. And the heavier than normal supply of fuel? Bush caused global warming again.
How much do they pay you, you Rethuglican Gaia raping puppy and child hating troll?
Posted by Steve Skubinna on 2007 11 02 at 12:16 AM • permalinkFor those who might still be around and interested in what is going on re the fires, you can find the response of the “appropriate” congressional committee here:
“Select Committee to Examine Link Between Changing Climate, Frequency and Intensity of Wildfires ...”For those interested in the actual reasons for the level of destruction of these fires, check out “The Environmentalist Fires”, by John Berlau at The American Thinker.
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