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NO NEWS FROM IRAQ IS GOOD NEWS FROM IRAQ
An email from Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America:
Just 3% of the news in February was dedicated to the war ... a study just released by the Pew Research Centre shows that press coverage of the war is at the lowest point since the war began.
What might explain this?
February saw the lowest number of deaths among U.S. forces since the beginning of the war.
UPDATE. Headline in today’s Age:
War numbers cast grim shadow over talk of progress
Just on 4000 soldiers killed in 5 years of war. In cases like this, I pose the question to anti-war types ‘How many deaths on the road are acceptable every year? None? 1 in 10? 1 in 10000?’ Not surprisingly, when service personnel enter places that are quaintly described as “war zones”, people die. Yet the rate of death of US military personnel is probably lower than the US road death toll, death from hospital accidents, death from skin cancer ...
Why would your average hippy give a rat’s arse about the well-being or force protection requirements of deployed troops? They don’t, it’s merely a cudgel with which to beat a political drum. John Stuart Mills says it best.
War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.
Rule No 1.
If there is any increase in US deaths in Iraq in 2008, write bitter articles about ‘quagmire’ and the urgent need to withdraw from ‘a war we should not have started.’Rule No 2.
If casualties go down, write bitter articles about ‘quagmire’, the failure of the Iraqis to radically improve their country in five years, and the opportunity to withdraw from ‘a war we should not have started.’Rule No 3. Write bitter articles about Iraq.
Make no comparisons with East Timor, whose regime change happened 8+ years ago.What’s new in Australia?
Interest rates up.
Stock market down.
Kevin Rudd closer to dodgy Chinese businessmen than even Al Gore.
Julia Gillard even more annoying than usual.
New centralised IR system launches Australia forward to the 1940’s.But on the good news front… NSW wins the Sheffield Shield! And we’re still buying the Super Hornets from the Yanks.
Posted by Apparatchik on 2008 03 19 at 05:25 PM • permalinkWhen I recently referred some retired journos to this good news from Chrenkoff, I received only one response:
Yes, the statistics are certainly interesting, and it is also certain that Iraq and its situation have diminishd in the news, as Arthur (I can’t spell his surname) indicates at one point. My comment would be that what this guy is purveying, and what he’s interested in, is information. And what a lot of people don’t understand is that - for better or worse - there is a significant difference between news and information. And beween news and a balanced accurate picture. One of the basics of journalism, carried throiugh at all levels, is that what is written or spoken or illustrated must - above all - be interesting.
The above quote was part of the response from a retired senior journalist. I have resisted the temptation to sub-edit his copy before passing it on to you.
The success in clamping down on vehicle borne IEDs and roadside IEDs has helped. The scumbags have fallen back on dupes in vests. MSM analysis still consists of nothing much more than “if people are still dying, we are not winning, and we were wrong to even try.”
It was always a matter of whether to go for Iraq or Iran first. Nothing that has happened since changes the fact that both were overdue to be re-arranged. That re-arrangement has turned out to be extremely messy, but that says more about the beastliness of those running the “interference” than about the US. Syria’s role in channeling jihadis (40% of whom came from Saudi Arabia) was and is a casus belli which so far has not been visited on them. Not knobbling Syria may have been a mistake (they are a major contributor to regional instability), but no war is free of mistakes.
Iran now has to recalculate what their fate might be - they face a USA which is now much more experienced in fighting wars in their region (recall their poor early efforts in Tunisia & Italy during WW2), and with less to do in Iraq. It is now a matter of political will, and whether GWB leaves it to the next President to grapple with. Iran’s nuclear ambitions upset not just Israel and the US, but the Saudis as well.
I expect that the MSM will continue to fail us all. Cue NYT article on Not So Bad Sharia by Noah Feldman.Five years into Iraq, one suspects that any coverage by the dim media will focus on glorifying the anti-war left. But let’s not get too vocal on this, save alerting the George Soros crowd and/or the pink code troopers.
Posted by American Interests on 2008 03 19 at 06:36 PM • permalinkOne of the basics of journalism, carried through at all levels, is that what is written or spoken or illustrated must - above all - be interesting.
To who? Once news was reported. Now it is only “interesting” “news” like Labor’s latest stunt, or O-man’s latest sermon on the mount, or the latest Israeli atrocity.
Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 03 19 at 06:54 PM • permalinkWe’re still in Iraq? Golly gee, from the lack of news, I thought we had pulled out last year.
/sarc
Posted by mr creosote on 2008 03 19 at 07:07 PM • permalinkLibya throws its hat in the “sponsor terrorism in Iraq” ring…
This from “Iraq the Model”:
“Col. Jubair Rashid Naief, who also is a police official in Anbar province, said those attacks were carried out by the Seifaddin Regiment, made up of about 150 foreign and Iraqi fighters who slipped into the country several months ago from Syria.
Naief said the regiment, which is working with al-Qaida in Iraq, was supported by Seif al-Islam Gadhafi, 36, the eldest son of the Libyan leader.
“I am sure of what I am talking about, and it is documented,” Naief said, adding that he was “100 percent sure” of the younger Gadhafi’s role with the terror group.”
“Does this not deserve a full and complete investigation?”Posted by MentalFloss on 2008 03 19 at 07:19 PM • permalinkAM on TheirABC carried a report about the demonstrations marking the fifth anniversary - including a quote from a woman who sounded loopy and ratbaggy enough to be St Cindy.
Interestingly, a different ABC correspondent, speaking on News Radio very early this morning, freely admitted that the numbers of demonstrators were way down.
Could the election be a factor here? The choice for the next four years is coming into focus, and the Dums’ offerings aren’t looking too fresh…Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2008 03 19 at 07:30 PM • permalinkI heard that Coalition forces, after being welcomed into Iraq with flowers and fresh fruit, found so many WMDs that the 7th Fleet couldn’t carry them all. Along with material evidence of systematic paedophile rings and behaviour by men who looked like Saddam Hussein (off with his head).
However the msm, on orders from Iran’s Ayatollahs buried this news behind totally fabricated accounts of death and injury among civilians and soldiers - thereby creating the wholly fictional idea that this war had casualties.
The only solution I can see is creating right-minded vigilante squads (folk on this blog could lead) which would dutifully apply the designated “thought purity test” and eliminate anyone with negative thinking from western style democracies. Long live King Carlyle.
Bryla, stick with what you do best: denialism.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 03 19 at 08:27 PM • permalinkBryla—
4000 schools reopened or built
96% of Iraqi children under 6 vaccinated
3,000,00 in primary school
2,000,000 cell phone subscribers
180 newspapers
10 new televisions stations
All but 2 Iraqi provinces under direct Iraqi control, with one more scheduled for May
Aussies kick Iranian ass at sea
0 new terrorist attacks in the USGo away, boy, you bore us.
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2008 03 19 at 08:27 PM • permalinkAll over CNN.com today—soon it will be up to 4,000 dead Americans in Iraq! Over what, five years? That’s 800 per year—not bad considering highway deaths in the US are in figures like 43,443 (in 2006) and 44,599 (in 1990). Hm—maybe we are doing this war all wrong. Maybe we should have let all the terrorist groups that want to destroy us invade the US… and get them onto our highway system. We could even provide the Ford Broncos, Dodge Rams, older model cars with one busted light, Cadillacs with the signals stuck permanently on “left,” and bright red Mitsubishi Eclipses for them to drive.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2008 03 19 at 08:38 PM • permalink.....and eliminate anyone with negative thinking from western style democracies….
It’s not like you’re helping…...
Posted by Old Tanker on 2008 03 19 at 08:38 PM • permalink#17 you might as well replace “I heard” with “this one time…at band camp”; it bestows the same level of creditbility.
unless of course it’s used in the context of “I heard they shaved a gorilla!”; that’s just gold
Posted by anonymous guest on 2008 03 19 at 09:08 PM • permalink#20, Richard, an impressive list of superficial achievements on top of a major disaster.
Display the limits of US military power.
Increase the influence of Iran in the region.
Undermine the US economy with war debt.
Hundreds of thousands of civilians dead.
Increase the dislike of US foreign policy around the world.
Create lasting division domestically.
Kill and cripple tens of thousands of your own troops.I’m sorry you find this all so boring.
In now the 80th year of the Roosevelts called “war on poverty”, the wasted trillions line up, the rational keeping America in this flawed and un-winable campaign keeps changing, the burden on the productive people of the country just keeps getting larger and larger.
Many rightly blame the lack of economic growth and blighted areas on a cultural group brought up without any sense of work or achievement who for generations now have lived off the backs of their fellows.
Many on the left want to widen the war on poverty and add treatment rationing into this quagmire even though they know it will adversely affect the quality, timeliness and cost of care.
Blah Blah Blah. See Bryla it’s easy.#24 Bryla:
most of those things on your list are consequences of war, any war. You could trot out that list to argue against any military action, including necessary or just action.As for “hundreds of thousands of civilians dead”, most of those have been killed by anti-US operatives. I notice that the anti-war movement in the West allows the fiction to propagate that America is directly responsible for all those deaths. (I walked past such a poster this morning, that effectively accused America of killing Iraqis daily).
When are you and others on the left going to have a quiet word to your propagandists? When are you going to pull them aside and say “actually, that’s not what’s going on, most of those killings are done by non-Iraqis funded by Iran and other places, and they’re the ones targeting Iraqi civilians”.
Or do you also think that these people terrorising the Iraqi population are freedom figherts? If not, then do you think it’s okay to mislead the American public about who is causing so much death and misery because it’s a “good lie” that will undo the Bush administration?Posted by daddy dave on 2008 03 19 at 10:21 PM • permalink#21,Andrea, that’s a brilliant plan.
In all seriousness, Bryla, you live in a world of your own imagining. Humanity keeps advancing in its own direction, which is fairly conservative (read survivalist). Your snarky, supercilious brand of ” pacifist superiorty” loses out in the end, because it’s a dead end. Nobody wants to be the pantywaist loser. Except you.
“Leon Klinghoffer (September 24, 1916–October 8, 1985) was a retired appliance manufacturer from New York who was disabled (from a stroke) and used a wheelchair for mobility. Klinghoffer was murdered by Palestinian terrorists who hijacked the cruise ship Achille Lauro, an attack planned by Abu Abbas.”—wiki
“Abu Abbas, the Palestinian terrorist who masterminded the 1985 hijacking of the cruise ship Achille Lauro, was arrested by U.S. forces outside Baghdad.”—CNN, April 2003
There’s a lesson in there. Don’t go around murdering Americans (or our allies). If you do, eventually we’ll come after the people who did it (in this case the PLF), and the people who helped them do it (the Baathists), and we’re going to cause a big old disaster.
Today Baghdad, tomorrrow the West Bank.
Posted by Dave Surls on 2008 03 19 at 10:41 PM • permalinkThanks for returning to your old narrow-minded, smug ways, Bryla—being true to yourself is a much better way of going through life.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 03 19 at 10:46 PM • permalinkBTW, everyone, take note that Bryla, of late, craps only on threads where there’s good news about Iraq, or news that demonstrates the basic dishonesty of the so-called progressives.
It’s the virtual equivalent of those Code Stink cretins disrupting congressional hearings, or press conferences held by conservative groups. Anything that goes against the socialist narrative must be silenced. And if they can’t do it with facts or lies, they’ll just throw public tantrums.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 03 19 at 10:50 PM • permalinkO/T
Islamic terrorists kill moderates.This particular story is from Algeria.
What’s not been much covered in the news is that many thousands have been slaughtered in such “moderate” places as Morocco and Algeria by islamists.This began, much like the AQ attacks on US interests and property, back in the 90s.
The pattern is very well established. Where ever there is islam, islam is at war with those closest to them that are not islam. And where there are no one that is not islam, islamists war against those not islamic enough.
“In 1982, at the request of the Lebanese government, the United States established a peacekeeping force between Muslims and Christians in Beirut. The Muslim forces however viewed the soldiers as their enemies and frequently attacked them with artillery and mortar. A stolen van carrying 2,000 pounds of explosives slammed into the U.S. Embassy in Beirut, Lebanon on April 18, 1983 killing 63 people. Hizballah Islamic terrorists were responsible for this cowardly, evil attack…”
We’ll be coming for these rats one of these days. There’s going to be payback in the Bekka Valley and there’s going to be payback in Tehran.
Payback might be next year, might be five years from now, might be twenty years…but, it’ll come.
I’m looking forward to the United States unleashing a serious disaster in both those places.
Posted by Dave Surls on 2008 03 19 at 11:02 PM • permalinkHabib, kae, are there timings and actions on approach/occupation of the primary RV for the Brisbane RWDB convention this afternoon?
Posted by Richard Sharpe on 2008 03 19 at 11:04 PM • permalinkRob, you say it’s easy, but I don’t think I could write anything of that quality.
Posted by Bryla on 2008 03 19 at 09:14 PM •
That’s right, Bryla, you can’t. Quality demands introspection and honesty, and you fail in both categories. You are, in fact, flawed in intellectual honesty and reasoning.
]Display the limits of US military power.
Yes, let’s do display the limits of US military power, because it seems to be far beyond the limits of third-rate dictatorships’ military power.
Increase the influence of Iran in the region.“Influence” interpreted as “coercion”
Undermine the US economy with war debt.
That depends on oil prices, which are, at the moment, at the mercy of a hostile oil cartel heavily influenced by money-hungrey oligarchs (Saudis and Venezuelans come to mind) and has absolutely nothing to do with Iraq.
Hundreds of thousands of civilians dead.
At the hands of whom? Might we assume the majority at the whim of fundamentalist fanatics?
Increase the dislike of US foreign policy around the world.
Create lasting division domestically.Personally, I have little problem with the dislike of US foreign policy around the world. We have always acted in our own interest, as any sovereign nation would do, except that we have always taken exceptional care not to trample overmuch on the sensibilities and established laws of other nations. Our history speaks for us. This isn’t self-satisfied bragging, it’s an historical fact of our lawfully established presence. You may quibble. But that’s your problem. Equate us with the Zionist Jooos of Israel, if you wish. It has the same historical weight.{
Kill and cripple tens of thousands of your own troops.
The death of any man in war is a tragedy. The death of any man in war on the right side is redeemed by honor. I expect this concept to be meaningless to the likes of bryla.
Many will bear the scars of this war for life. It’s up to them whether they deem it an honor. And, bryla, thank all the gods, that’s not up to the likes of you.
“GOOD NEWS FROM IRAQ”
Here’s the good news from Iraq and Afghanistan:
For years terrorists have been getting away with attacking America and killing Americans (and our friends). The most we ever did in response was fire off a rocket or two to show our displeasure (if that).
The American government finally woke up (on 9/11/01) and realized that we need to inflict serious hurt on the terrorists AND on the states that are backing the terrorists, if we want to stop this nonsense. Letting them get away with it ain’t gonna get the job done.
Now, we’re invading their countries, bombing the hell out of anything that moves, killing the terrorists, pouring water on their faces (greatest atrocity of all time according to soft-hearted pro-terrorist leftys), locking hundreds of them up in Gitmo and leaving them there to rot, and generally being unpleasant in a much more serious way.
The basic principle that we’re establishing is is that if they kill one of us, we’ll pay them back a thousand times over.
And, that’s very good news indeed.
Muslim fanatics and Baathists are extremely stupid beasts, and it’s going to take them a long time to get the message, but when our death toll reaches 20,000 and their death toll reaches 2,000,000 and when our troops are roaming all over their landscape from Gaza to Kabul, they’ll start to realize that killing Americans (or Aussies or Brits) isn’t paying off.
Posted by Dave Surls on 2008 03 19 at 11:23 PM • permalinkNicely said, Rebecca. Bryla does indeed lack introspection and honesty, a fact that he will never ever admit, given his near terminal narcissism.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 03 19 at 11:27 PM • permalink#36 RebeccaH “we have always taken exceptional care not to trample overmuch on the sensibilities and established laws of other nations”.
That’s hilarious. You seem not to have noticed, but your President launched an illegal war of aggression based on a lie, and continues an ineffective and murderous occupation producing no benefits to anyone but arms manufacturers.
Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas.
#38 You really don’t get it do you you Dave. Your death toll is never going to reach 20,000 because your troops will all come home in ignominious defeat before the end of 2009.
The ME will find its own way towards an independent bloc of oil producing countries in which the Saudi royal family will no longer exist, and your country will be bankrupt.
Your own citizenry will once more put limits on foreign military adventures. maybe you should write a novel called “It’s all so damned unfair”.
“Personally, I have little problem with the dislike of US foreign policy around the world.”
Looks like we can have one of two things
1.) America is run by leftys like Wilson, Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy and we lose hundreds of thousands of our guys fighting Germans, Japanese, Vietnamese et al…and everyone (supposedly) loves us.
2. America is run by not-so leftys like Ronald Reagan or George Bush, we lose a few thousand guys, and everyone (supposedly) hates us.
I vote for option # 2.
Posted by Dave Surls on 2008 03 19 at 11:45 PM • permalink#41 “The ME will find its own way towards an independent bloc of oil producing countries in which the Saudi royal family will no longer exist, and your country will be bankrupt.”
is this a long-winded way of saying that the House of Saud might fall? that’s been a possibility for a while, Nostradamus.
And you didn’t bother to respond to my suggestion that, by not correcting lies from the Left about the true source of the violence, you’re complicit in those lies.
Your silence sounds like an admission.Posted by daddy dave on 2008 03 19 at 11:52 PM • permalinkDamn. I hate it when the italics get loose and it’s my fault.
That’s hilarious. You seem not to have noticed, but your President launched an illegal war of aggression based on a lie, and continues an ineffective and murderous occupation producing no benefits to anyone but arms manufacturers.
Yet another example of entrenched (read hidebound) lefty orthodoxy. “illegal” “lie” “WMD” “Halliburton” “etc”. Really. It bores.
Even “ignominous defeat before the end of 2009” has that 60s attic smell about it. It’s the 21st century, man. You’re old hat. Get with the program. Free trade and people’s choice (actual people, that is), are the new paradigm, and you old lefties are yesterday’s news.
Blather:
Your death toll is never going to reach 20,000 because your troops will all come home in ignominious defeat before the end of 2009.
The ME will find its own way towards an independent bloc of oil producing countries in which the Saudi royal family will no longer exist, and your country will be bankrupt.
You need to find new masturbation fantasies, you musty old dolt. 1969 was almost 40 years ago.
You do realise your rhetorical tricks are pathetically obvious, don’t you? No matter how or when the US leaves Iraq and Afghanistan, it’s “ignominious defeat”. If we stay, for whatever reason, it’s a “quagmire”.
You’ve been recycling the same tripe for how long now?
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2008 03 20 at 12:14 AM • permalinkYou seem not to have noticed, but your President launched an illegal war of aggression based on a lie, and continues an ineffective and murderous occupation producing no benefits to anyone but arms manufacturers.
I see that Bryla continues to follow the typical leftie pattern of cherry picking his facts to reinforce his bubble of reality. He’s spouted on about the “illegal” war in Iraq since forever, and continues to ignore all of the UN resolutions, Congressional authorizations, and so on. His argument hasn’t changed, not with improvements, not with positive changes, not with anything.
Bryla is more interested in pumping up Bryla than he is helping people. Narcissism is funny that way.
In the meantime, Iraq slowly moves forward towards building a peaceful, stable society. Should the Iraqis finally succeed (and there is a dim light at the end of the tunnel), it’ll be in spite of Bryla and other people who claimed to want only peace, but really just are so lost in themselves that they’re happy to see people butchered so long as they get their name in print.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 03 20 at 12:24 AM • permalink#43 Daddy Dave, It is the USA which must take responsibility for the invasion and occupation that created this particular wave of violence within Iraq.
Yes, other parties kill. The context in which they have emerged was created by the invasion.
Yes, Saddam Hussein was a bloody despot. When he was a US ally against Iran he was allowed to behave in the most atrocious manner. The US invasion is far worse.
Saddam was isolated and increasingly powerless in 2002. The UN weapons inspectors were confirming disarmament in 2003. Of all the tools available to build peace and security, George W and the neo-cons chose the one least likely to succeed, and the USA is now complicit in mass murder.
What’s so hard for you to understand about that?
TRJS
Bryla is more interested in pumping up Bryla
Bryla has an inflatable Bryla doll?!?Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2008 03 20 at 12:42 AM • permalinkYou’ve been recycling the same tripe for how long now?
Doing a quick search of Tim’s archives…..at least 3 years here. Can’t say about before that.
But it’s intriguing to note that even the earliest thread featuring him has behaving like a twit. Clearly, the man doesn’t learn.
And in reviewing a couple old threads, I found this one, where we debated the wisdom of banning him….in March 2005. I recommend a re-read to see both what a shallow goofball Bryla is.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 03 20 at 12:52 AM • permalinkBryla has an inflatable Bryla doll?!?
That would fit in with his excessive self-love, don’t you think?
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 03 20 at 12:53 AM • permalinkBryla:
Your recitation of the bullshit lie about the war in Iraq being illegal pegs you for the moron.
Say it as often and as loudly as you like. It isn’t the truth and never will be.
The war is “illegal” only in the minds of those who’ve given themselves over, lock, stock and barrel, to the propaganda of the enemy.
That marks you as enemy. No different than the jihadi, except that you being a craven coward and a quivering sack of snivel.
‘No matter how or when the US leaves Iraq and Afghanistan, it’s “ignominious defeat”.’
That’s the lefty fantasy.
However, people like myself only wanted two things.
In Iraq:
1.) To destroy the Baathist state.
2.) To kill terrorists like Abu Nidal, Abu Abbas and Zarqawi.
We already won a long time ago, and I really couldn’t give a rat’s ass what happens from here on out. Everyone in Iraq could drop dead tomorrow, and I really wouldn’t get all that worked up about it. They can slaughter each other by the tens of thousands for all I care. We’re there to kill Baathists and terrorists, and anything else (like building a pro-western government in Iraq or making the Shiites and Sunnis stop fighting each other) is a side issue. This is a punitive expedition, not a mercy mission.
Western lefty traitors lose, because they didn’t want us to invade Iraq, didn’t want us to drive the Baathists out of power or kill terrorists, and we did it anyway. The Baathists lose because their rule has been totally ended (for now, anyway). Terrorists like Nidal and Abbas lose because their safe haven in Iraq no longer exists, and they’re dead, and therefore unable to continue murdering Jews and Americans.
All of the above groups lose, we win.
Winning is getting what you want, losing is not getting what you want. I got what I wanted, therefore I win, and our troops are the guys who gave me the win.
Whenever our troops come home, they’ll be victorious heroes.
And, lefty scum can choke on it.
Posted by Dave Surls on 2008 03 20 at 01:09 AM • permalink“Saddam was isolated and increasingly powerless in 2002.”
Not nearly as isolated and powerless as he is now.
Posted by Dave Surls on 2008 03 20 at 01:21 AM • permalinkSaddam was isolated and increasingly powerless in 2002.
Except for all his new friends he was making with all the bribes he was throwing around with the ludicrous “Oil-For-Food” scam. Bribes that were succeeding in “un-isolating” himself quite nicely. No, Saddam was anything but “isolated” or “powerless”. And those “murderous” sanctions you and your fellow useful idiots on the left were wailing about, how they were killing “hundreds of thousands” of little Iraqi children! Well, Saddam’s bribes were soon to get those inconvenient sanctions lifted, and everything would be as it was…
I used to believe Robert Fisk was unique in his extraordinary willful ignorance, his “idiotarianism”, but not so.
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2008 03 20 at 02:09 AM • permalinkBTW, Jesse MacBeth, the phony Ranger death beast, is out of jail and telling more stories.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread328879/pg1
“intil during the secound one of my drill dgt (ds martin) appraoched me in the training bay in front of all the other iet soldiers in my platoon took the quran off my bunk spit in it and threw it across the room yelling “muslims dont belong in my army” and madde me crawl in his words” like the muslim dog i was” to get my holy book. i was upset but again i wanted so bad to be part of something. all my life i was eigther in grouphomes homeless are in jail. i wanted to change that and this was my chance so i took the the racial slurs and religiouse slurs know that it wouold all end in 7 more weeks. “
It continues in that vein for a while. Pretty goofy stuff.
Posted by Ernst Blofeld on 2008 03 20 at 02:16 AM • permalinkO/T but in that AO (Area of Operations)
Iran: Parliament to discuss death penalty for converts who leave islam.
Tehran, 19 March (AKI) - In its first session since last week’s general elections, the new Iranian parliament is expected to discuss a law that will condemn to death anyone who decides to leave the Muslim faith and convert to other religions.
The parliament, also known as the Majlis, will debate the new law which has been presented by the government of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
Under the proposed law, anyone who is born to Muslim parents and decides to convert to another faith, will face the death penalty.
Rest of the article at link above.
These are the monsters that intellectual inbreeds such as Bryla align themselves with. No excuse for such perfidy.
“Hundreds of thousands of civilians dead.”
Bull. Shit.
“Increase the dislike of US foreign policy around the world.”
Yeah, like the world loved our foreign policy before this. Sorry, pal, but I’m 41, and I’ve seen your lot on the news protesting us since I learned to walk. Has it gone from “total dislike” to “extra-super total dislike”? Sell that nonsense somewhere else.
“Create lasting division domestically.”
Hah! Yep, we were one big happy family before Iraq. I remember when Al Gore graciously accepted defeat in 2000 and his supporters said, “Well, that was a bit of tough luck, but we’ll give our honorable opponents a better run next time.”
Do you really believe this shit? Seriously?
Here’s a tip, Bry - we’ve been listening to foreigners damning us if we do and damning us if we don’t since before WWII. We don’t care anymore. We can’t win with you, so we don’t care. That’s what your mindless, knee-jerk contrarianism has wrought. Enjoy it.
bryla, here are some interesting comparisons for you. It probably won’t penetrate that ironclad sheath around your preconceptions and prejudices, but reasonable people might find it interesting.
TRJS - I haven’t followed those links but I do recall Tim was once generous enough to allow Bryla his own thread. Once was more than enough… but let’s leave that be.
A few commenters thought Bryla should start his own blog. I supported that. I still do.
As I said then:
“Blog away, Bryla - the operative word being away.”Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2008 03 20 at 03:00 AM • permalink“Create lasting division domestically.”
What of it? In the 1860s we had to kill tens of thousands of lefty traitor Democrats (slaveowning variety) in order to get them to see the error of their ways.
Doing it again probably wouldn’t hurt.
Posted by Dave Surls on 2008 03 20 at 03:23 AM • permalinkThe only folk creating a domestic division these days are the scumbags who’ve lived their entire lives as devotees to the destruction of their own society and culture so that it can be replaced with the same degenerate anti-human horror-fest that grew up out of the ashes of Czarist Russia.
Need to give em, each and all of em, the ol’ Ceausescu At the wall treatment.
Bryla:
You claim to be a Christian and yet you live on your knees sucking from the same leftist propaganda spigot as the marxists. The marxists who would imprison or kill you for being a Christian. The same leftists that now back the islamios. The islamos that will also kill you for being a Christian.
There is nothing to you of honor or integrity. Either you do not even who you are, what you really stand for, or who you represent, or you are an active propagandist for a hostile enemy.
The best that can be said for you is that you serve only as a useful idiot for our enemy. And that depends on giving you one hella bunch of benefit of the doubt.
#67
Maybe even make a few Iraqis rich.
That may be the very worst aspect of it all.
;^)
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2008 03 20 at 03:38 AM • permalinkBryla stateth some comments up:
Kill and cripple tens of thousands of your own troops.
Hm. 4,000 = tens of thousands. Great math skilz that.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2008 03 20 at 07:17 AM • permalink#48 Bryla -
Of all the tools available to build peace and security, George W and the neo-cons chose the one least likely to succeed ...
Of all the tools? What tools? The UN? Oh puleeze.
Iraq was planning to reinstitute its WMD program. Iran and Syria were focused on their own. Saudi financiers were enabling Walhabi Islamic fundamentalism. Al Quaeda was entrenched in Afghanistan and working to commit acts of terrorism. Hezbollah and the Palestinians were doing their normal nefarious acts. And the likes of Bryla were pushing for doing jack shit about it all.
Feckless. And cowardly. That’s the left.
Posted by wronwright on 2008 03 20 at 08:53 AM • permalink#73 Well, to his credit, it’s 4,000 dead. He gets his tens of thousands when he adds up the number of total casualties.
However, it’s also quite obvious Bryla agrees more with the following sentiment:
TSK, TSK, there’s that nasty D word again. By opposing the Iraq <strike>war</strike> victory, he is basically opposing Democracy whilst tacitly supporting totalitarianism and terrorism.
Bryla. Fuck off. Fuck You You Stupid Fucking Lefty Twat (aka FYYSFLT)
Andrea:
He’s probably trying to drag in the number of wounded, except most of them get back to their units within 72 hrs of treatment. Hardly “crippled” folks.
Bryla’s trying to play Grima Wormtongue again, but just isn’t as charming and handsome as the guy in the movies.
Posted by Patrick Chester on 2008 03 20 at 09:52 AM • permalink#48
Of all the tools available to build peace and security, George W and the neo-cons chose the one least likely to succeed, and the USA is now complicit in mass murder.
What’s so hard for you to understand about that?
I’ll tell you. How does failing to completely defeat an enemy which then commits mass murder, make you complicit in mass murder?
That makes Gil Grissom guilty for failing to catch the miniature killer before she killed so many more people. It makes Sigourney Weaver complicit in every human on Earth or space that was killed by aliens. It makes Poland responsible for the entire of World War Two.
That’s what I don’t understand.
But perhaps, in your world, any stream of consciousness which ends with “the USA is now complicit” must by definition have flawless logic. Maybe that’s what I’m not getting.
Posted by daddy dave on 2008 03 21 at 12:17 AM • permalinkI must admit that I am surprised at the depth of Bryla’s phenomenal ignorance, as displayed in his posts on this topic.
Any lawyer who tells you that the US did not have legal authority under UN Resolution 1441 is not worth a cracker.
ALL sides of politics believed Saddam had WMD, as was shown again recently on US 60 Minutes.
The US has always been attacked for its foreign policy regardless of having a Republican or a Democratic Party president. The one exception would be Jimmy Carter who implemented all of the same types of policies that ninnies like Bryla support, which led to the Islamic Revolution in Iran and the creation of Islamist terrorism, the weakening of the US military and domestic crises such as those amazing one-hour fuel queues. When Al Qaeda was training its people back in the 1990s they had pictures of the US president to aim at - Bill Clinton.
Posted by Jack Lacton on 2008 03 21 at 08:39 AM • permalinkThe one exception would be Jimmy Carter
If Obama gets in, there will henceforth be two exceptions.
Posted by daddy dave on 2008 03 22 at 02:23 AM • permalink
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