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Australian union supporters discuss the US government’s 9/11 conspiracy:
“There is no doubt the US Government are involved in 9/11.”
“Too many questions remain that the Bush Admin refuse to answer.”
“3000 innocent people were done away with. Anyone who has seen this DVD would only come away with the same conclusion as i did. Great exposure of the dirty deed of the Pendagon.”
“It seems 9/11 has been used to direct lots of attention at everybody except for those who really are the bad guys - Howard and Bush.”
(Via Darrin H.)
God, Truthers Down Under. Makes me want to chunder.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 01 16 at 09:32 PM • permalinkhttp://www.rightsatwork.com.au
I was expecting to see footage of fur seal clubbings, rain forest clear felling and explosives being planted in the twin towers.
I suppose leftsatwork.com.au just wouldn’t have made any sense.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 01 16 at 09:39 PM • permalinkLet us not criticize, it’s very humane of these unions to support the employment of retarded people in the workplace.
Posted by Shaky Barnes on 2007 01 16 at 09:45 PM • permalink#6 My thoughts exactly. Of course the masons must be in it somewhere too (though if we tell them that, they’ll just start chucking bricks through the window of nice old Mrs Mason and her beguiling daughter who live round the corner from me).
I started drawing up a diagram linking Osama, Bush, the Trilateral Commission and the Knights of the Round Table but I have this sharp pain behind my eyes.
Where’s bloody Dan Brown when you need him?
On a separate note - the fact that people are dropping out of high school thinking “congratulations” and “Pentagon” are spelled with a “d” because they write it as they hear it is a salutary lesson to us all to enunciate, people. It’s our duty to the less fortunate.
I say “Pent-a-gon.” I’ve never heard it pronounced “Pend-a-gon.”
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2007 01 16 at 09:51 PM • permalinkAnd I hear “congratulations” as either “congrachulations” or “congrajulations.” Good thing I know how to spell it.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2007 01 16 at 09:52 PM • permalinkOh FGS.
If we are going for 11/9 conspiracies: this date is the anniversary of Pinche’s coup.
Pinche? Various sources suggest if means either “kitchen boy”, “miserly” or “f**k” (perhaps Spanish-speaking American readers can provide enlightenment).
Excuse me, I’m off to mount a seige at a local high school. No one leaves till everyone can spell at a Year 6 level. I expect to be some time.
From the thread:
i wont go into much detail just c the film or one of the others thats out there
Wow. At least four errors in a single sentence.
Obviously he’s been angry ever since his year eleven English teacher called him mentally deficient, gave him an F and suggested he’d never amount to more than a minimum wage slave.
Thank heavens for The Unions.
“It seems 9/11 has been used to direct lots of attention at everybody except for those who really are the bad guys - Howard and Bush.”
There was a time when I might have been charitable enough to consider the holder of such beliefs a deluded ass. I now consider him a pernicious swine, who differs from the terrorist, if at all, only in his procrastination in following his beliefs to their natural conclusion. This is ideological dishonesty on a breathtaking scale.
#20 - The moon is muslim land, Penguin.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 01 16 at 10:37 PM • permalinkThey’ve been listening to too much Lesley Gore (no relation to the Internet Inventor) -
“It’s my chapati and I’ll die if I want to…etc”Posted by Whale Spinor on 2007 01 16 at 10:40 PM • permalinkI saw some of this doco the other night when I stumbled on it on the History channel on Foxtel.
What amazes me is how none of these moonbats asks an obvious question (amongst dozens): How did Bush et al convince American Airlines and United Airlines to pretend four of their planes crashed. And if they did, why hasn’t anyone who works for these airlines asked why no planes are missing from both airlines’ respective fleets.
The “conclusion” i came “away with” was that these people are mentally challenged…
Simple rule with conspiracies. If more than 10 people would need to keep the secret, there’s no conspiracy.Posted by Ben Haslem on 2007 01 16 at 10:49 PM • permalinkBah! Over at the thread, some non-believer is demanding proof from the Maid.
Posted by Margos Maid on 2007 01 16 at 10:52 PM • permalinkThe home page of Unions Australia says this:-
WHY WE ARE RALLYING ON NOVEMBER 30!
Thu Nov 30, 2006IT’S NEVER BEEN EASIER TO JOIN A UNION!
Mon Oct 23, 2006ACTU LAUNCHES NEW ONLINE FORUM!
Tue Aug 01, 2006WATCH OUR ‘REAL PEOPLE, REAL STORIES’ AD
Tue Jun 27, 2006Notice anything weird here folks? Everything’s been and gone - these cretins can’t even maintain a current website. Talk about relevency deficiency!
Show’s over now that a victim’s relative has weighed in. A sobering reminder that there are real people other than fuckwits to consider…
Posted by Margos Maid on 2007 01 16 at 11:02 PM • permalinkOn my Christmas break I spent a not insubstantial amount of time catching up on movies and TV series I’d missed over the year. Imagine my surprise on seeing a copy of Loose Change <spit> in my local DVD shop. It was out. Over the three weeks of renting movies from that shop I never saw that sad little piece of fiction actually available to rent.
Not that I would waste my time watching it since it has been so thoroughly debunked, I was just amazed that people are dumb enough to actually pay money for it.
You learn something new every day- I had no idea Mister Pinchy had even staged a coup, let alone celebrated an aniversary.
#17 Teaparty
Workers of the world medicate!
It appears they already have… LOL!
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2007 01 16 at 11:13 PM • permalink#31 bondo
Not that I would waste my time watching it since it has been so thoroughly debunked . . .
No amount of “debunking” can hope to counter Invincible Ignorance.
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2007 01 16 at 11:15 PM • permalinkJesus H. Christ!
I don’t know about you, but I’m bloody scared, and not of Howard or Bush either!
What the hell is this world coming too???I blame the Hollywood crap factory for this insanity, at least partially. Movie after movie of crazy conspiracies, where the most sinister people are invariably politicans or police or servicemen, etc. etc.
Make that American politicians, police, servicemen etc. etc.The giant gaping flaw in the ‘Bush Did It 9/11 Great Conspiracy’ is that it required hundreds if not thousands of people to keep quiet about it. Not only that but it would have required a huge team of people to plant and wire the tons of explosives in the towers. This was all done in absolute secrecy of course and nobody suspected anything. Not one of those responsible for murdering 3,000 people has come forward in torrents of guilt and anguish over their evil actions. Some of them must have died by now - no deathbed confessions to cleanse their tortured souls. Total silence from the conspirators. This is doubly amazing since Bush is supposedly too stupid to even cook a decent BBQ on his ranch.
Even more incredible, everybody involved in this monstrosity was willing to do it - not a single person was approached to be part of it, declined and blew the whistle. Amazing!
Oh, what’s the use - the myth of Bush’s 9/11 conspiracy is just so e-a-s-y to debunk that saying more here would be pointless. Except that anybody with more than a single brain cell would see how ridiculous the theory really is.
If more than 10 people would need to keep the secret, there’s no conspiracy.
You know more trustworthy people than I do. Me, I’d peg the max at 3 people. If two of them are dead.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 01 16 at 11:21 PM • permalinkI can’t make myself read any of that crap. It always makes me want to break something, and I have my blood pressure to consider. There’s no use trying to convince them their delusions aren’t real, because if the stupid were able to consider facts and draw realistic conclusions, why then we wouldn’t think they were stupid, would we?
Boy, nothing pisses me off more than the conspiracy theory 9/11 crowd. I put them right up there with holocaust deniers.
Our local radio station (which also hosts Rush Limbaugh and Neil Bortz) has a 9/11 “inside job” guy on Sunday mornings. I raised nine kinds of hell with them. That’s the LAST thing we need in this neck of the Texas woods. Alas, he has a lot of kook callers that reinforce his nuttery.
It’s nauseating to hear that shit. I am pretty laid back, but this particular fantasy, in the cafeteria of fantasies, gets me going.
Posted by Kathy from Austin on 2007 01 16 at 11:37 PM • permalinkObviously the unions are pissed off that the Twin Tower explosive technicians were non-union labour. What’s worse is that the pilots of the planes were illegal immigrants and hadn’t completed any Work Safe courses.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 01 16 at 11:41 PM • permalinkThese clowns are more proof that “too stupid to live” should be a valid diagnosis.
Posted by Barbara Skolaut on 2007 01 16 at 11:44 PM • permalinkThese people are not stupid, they are evil. Like holocaust deniers, they make themselves after the fact accomplices in murder by attempting to cover up, deny, and obfuscate some of the best documented crimes of history. They exonerate criminals by pretending the crime never happened, and that the real criminals are those fighting to avenge the crimes.
There is nothing good to say about them, no exculpation for their actions, they are simply evil.
Posted by Steve Skubinna on 2007 01 17 at 12:03 AM • permalink#42 - OK steve, like holocaust deniers they may have an evil element but basically they are just plain old pig-ignorant stupid. Here are bigpicture’s thoughts on Australian nationalism
“I think I read somwhere nationalism was born out of capitolism and the need to open markets and cement trading routes back during the end of fudalism.thats a lot of ISMS lol.. but my favorite is humanism it sort of cuts through race religion and borders.”
Cement trading routes ?? Of course.
Posted by Whale Spinor on 2007 01 17 at 12:18 AM • permalinkIf more than 10 people would need to keep the secret, there’s no conspiracy.
You know more trustworthy people than I do. Me, I’d peg the max at 3 people. If two of them are dead.surfmaster’s rule of secrets. If one person knows something it is a secret. If two or more know it it becomes common knowledge.
Posted by surfmaster on 2007 01 17 at 12:29 AM • permalinkConspiracy theories are the lazy thinker’s answer to everything.
Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2007 01 17 at 12:30 AM • permalink#42, Steve, #43WS, That’s right. Crazy, evil nonsense. Makes the blood positively boil.
Posted by Kathy from Austin on 2007 01 17 at 12:50 AM • permalinkNo, #36, the real gaping flaw in the conspiracy theory is this: IT WAS NOT NECESSARY.
We knew we were at war not when the towers collapsed, but WHEN THE SECOND PLANE HIT. There was no reason for the the towers to fall; it woudn’t have made us any more likely to go blow up the Middle East. The deed was DONE.
Every piddly little claim made in Loose Change comes crashing down if you just step back and ask WHY BOTHER? For example, why on earth would there be a “missile pod” on the outside of a jet that’s rigged to explode? Why wouldn’t they have just stuck it in the cargo hold, thus not giving rise to these suspicions in the first place? Or why on earth would they “fire” the “missile” just before hitting the building? If they were carrying a missile, they could just detonate it UPON IMPACT. And why is it suspicious that WTC 7 fell? What would it prove? If 9/11 was a government conspiracy, why the hell would THEY blow up that building—after the fact, seemingly without cause, in a way that’s virtually guaranteed to raise questions? If they’re trying to make it look like hijackers did it, then why not just leave WTC 7 alone?
Cripes. A fourteen-year-old table gamer could come up with a better causus-belli plot than what these idiots think the evil genius Bush clan did on 9/11.
Posted by Brian Tiemann on 2007 01 17 at 01:39 AM • permalinkOn the evidence and even on personal experience eg my daughters colleagues in the WTC being on calls to her and her colleagues in London at the time of impact and the loss of same colleagues giving any time at all to the conspiracy theorists requires a mental acrobatic too complicated to be performed.
And yet, when that video went around the internet something like “10 things about 9/11 you should know” there was a rush of my friends who saw it and wanted to believe it. Truly amazing. Luckily they had the sense to ask me as their resident RWDB about it. I soon set them right.
Any government evil enough to murder 3000 of it’s citizens, doesn’t need a pre-text to invade a foreign land. They just do it.
And if they were smart enough to pull off 9/11, why didn’t they plant WMD’s in Iraq?
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 01 17 at 01:55 AM • permalinkMany union members have no need for loopy conspiracy theories.
They are comfortable with the belief that the 9/11 catastrophe was retributive justice for U.S. foreign policy ( like much of the Islamic world ).
By the way, I heard Mr Terry Lane put this view on air just two days after the attack, even before the the number of victims ( including Australians ) was known.#53 chrisgo: I’m assuming these are the same ass*&^‘s who boo’d our athletes in Syndney for the Olympics? We are, apparently to these asshats, to blame for every problem in the civilized world. I guess I am still angry about the reception for the American athletes. Would that the members of this blog have been there for that. Damn it.
Just as surely the HoWARd government planned and executed the Bali bombings, right?
Evil, indeed.
Posted by Kathy from Austin on 2007 01 17 at 02:44 AM • permalinkI find the comments here every bit as stupid as the unionists.
You should go watch Loose Change, if only to see what the enemy is. It’s a masterful piece of propaganda and deception, you know, and is very convincing to your average joe. You might even find yourself wondering about some things, especially if you haven’t specifically researched the areas the film makes the strongest claims about. All lies of course, the film is nothing but lies. But it’s an *excellent* lie.
And as for the commenters here actually getting angry about people going and watching the film, and believing it - you are obviously too personally invested in one viewpoint or another. Calling them “evil” is totally ridiculous and says more about yourself than it does them. People who believe Loose Change are gullible and ignorant, not evil.
And all this “we knew we were at war when the plane hit the second tower” .. give me a freaking break! Who, exactly, is America at war with?! Best I can make out is that America is at war with itself.
Bah, I liked this blog better when the commenters were distinguishable from the trash at LGF.
#55 - Are you fucking kidding or just after a little troll action?
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 01 17 at 03:10 AM • permalinkhkstar:
Anyone, who for any reason, gives themselves over to supporting or believing enemy propaganda during a time of war is, by law and tradition, indistinguishable from the enemy and is to be treated as enemy.
You are the one who is broken and defective. This is not about difference of opinion, this is about basic concepts as honor, loyalty and will to survive, you stupid, intellectually inbreed fucktard.
The whole “Your Rights at Work” movement lost all credibility for me when I saw one of the NSW union leaders (John Robertson?) speaking during the Sydney pro- Hezbollah, July rally.
This prick wore a kefiyah(sp?)and denounced Israel, whilst in the foreground of TV news helicopter footage was a truck emblazoned with union placards.hkstar
One error from the 10 minutes of that excrerable rubbish that I saw a few weeks back.
One of the points made was comparing “flashes of light” apparently similar to those seen in a controlled demolition. These “flashes of light” were due to the type of det tube being used. (I hold a shotfirers ticket) However using this as the detonation source would have made no sense. Its highly visible and would have had to have been placed on the outside of the building to have caused the effect the film makers are inferring.
There is no “explanation” by the filmakers, just some footage that isnt explainable of apparently random flashes of light. Instead of explain what it IS, they look at what it might be and assume the rest.
A second error.
Windows bursting outwards as the towers collapsed were again presented as evidence of a controlled demolition. The explanation is actually much simpler. As the towers pancaked downwards the air in the section being pancaked needs to get out of the way. Therefore windows blow out underneath the collapsing sections pushing out (at extreme force) dust, paper, and (if any was present) flame producing the “blast effect” the film makers talk about.I didnt bother watching much more if that was the quality of the “evidence” being produced.
This has been posted in the hope you arent a troll.Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2007 01 17 at 03:31 AM • permalinkAll this has been thoroughly researched:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_the_World_Trade_Centeri saw loose change twice- i was struck by the similarity in style to ufo conspiracy ‘documentaries’. i’m amazed anyone falls for this rubbish.
barnum was right about a sucker being born every minute, but it isn’t funny when theyre falling for this shit.
just goes to show the extent to which blind hatred has shortcircuited the tiny brains of the bushitler hoWARd crowd
Posted by eeniemeenie on 2007 01 17 at 04:10 AM • permalinkFrollickingmole, it is astounding what credulous fools will believe. To actually believe that the WTC was brought down with explosives, one has to believe that:
- the 25,000 people working in the buildings did not notice
which implies that
- the work was done out of office hours, and camouflaged every day
which means that
- ALL the security people were complicit and
- were willing to die for the causeThe job would take
- about 150 staff per tower: per day - 2 hours tear down, 4 hours work, 2 hours refitting the drywalls and repainting etc etc, then an hour to check the camoflage
- mebbe 1 floor per night
- 100 night’s work absolute minimum
They’d need
- about 100 charges per floor, 10,000 total, and about 1000’ of detcord on a double ring main per floor, for 100,000’ of the stuff.
- it all has to work PERFECTLY, so zero faults were made
- they also had to completely control the entire security system for the whole time, so nobody would tape them.Oh yeah, and they had to fool
Rick Rescorla that whole time.Yes, THAT Rick Rescorla.
Riiiight.
But there are complete morons born every day.
MarkL
Canberrahkstar - you are right about it being a big and crafty lie. But from whence comes the anger in your Bah, I liked this blog better when the commenters were distinguishable from the trash at LGF. ?
Loose Change is simply more proof that there are criminally deranged people in our own communities, who are by this sort of thing undermining our society to some destructive end. Shouldn’t you be more worried by them?
If you aren’t, you are more of a worry than anyone commenting here or at LGF.#60
Apparently even-handed site: http://www.911myths.com/index.html has photos answering my Pentagon debris concerns.What intrigued me about the Pentagon impact is that all 3 docos I have seen, including ‘Loose Change’, show the plane impacting the building with the left wing rolled to about 7-8 o’clock; but since then, Loose Change II, at least, appears to (forced to?) change the roll to level flight.
Had it been otherwise, the left engine may well have dug into the soil as ‘Loose Change’ advocates.#67
Heard stats quoting that 70% of Americans reckon 9/11 was a Govt conspiracy.
Apparently ‘Loose Change’ refers to gold that was pilfered in this ‘conspiracy’.‘Loose Change’ advocates that a cruise missile was used against the Pentagon.
Non-conspiracy info-tainment docos a la ‘Seconds from Disaster’ et al simplifications don’t help to undo the damage done by the conspiracy advocates.
MarkL
You bring up a point I hadnt even thought of. We regularly have misfires whith blokes who have been charging the same pattern for years. To bring down something with multiple sequences without day to day staff noticing is frankly crap.
The whole argurement rests on about 3 “facts” none of which allows the “therory” to exist without the others.
1. Perfect secrecy
2. Perfect explosive wiring up
3. Perfect set of patsies on the perfect planes
CRAP!!!Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2007 01 17 at 07:20 AM • permalinkI AM FURIOUS AT THESE PEOPLE! How can we sit by and let them utter this tripe and live to tell about it? “...US Government are involved…”
I mean, come on! The US Government is a single entity, so he should say “...US Government IS involved…” How long are we going to allow these pieces of garbage to deface our language?
Oh, also, his premises are pretty silly as well.
The whole 9/11 conspiracy was brought about by the lizard alien illuminatti overlord sekrit underground guvmint, because the US was going to admit that the Apollo Moon landings were heaxed by Walt Disney (who is actually not dead, but an alien head in a jar on GW Bush’s desk). In addition, they were going to reveal that the Iranian government is actually working for the CIA/Mossad/KGB paymasters to keep the price of Oil up so Aussies pay over a dollar per litre.
I know this because an alien astronaut intelligent carrot told me so. So there!
Agreed blogagog! You only have to read the initial post by a semi-literate, credulous idiot to realise what this thread and this forum are going to be like.
I’d say the guy is a typical product of a modern public school education. Forget abbout whinging about his “rights” at work, he should be bedazzled with wonderment if anyone is preparted to employ him at all!
TFK
Even more incredible, everybody involved in this monstrosity was willing to do it - not a single person was approached to be part of it, declined and blew the whistle. Amazing!
Bonmot, that’s another part of the conspiracy. Surely a good conspiracy theory needs to have people who find out about said conspiracy have to disappear?
I work for a government and I know that it couldn’t organise a piss-up in a brewery. The idea that the US government could have organised a complicated plot such as 9-11 (not to mention kept it secret) is completely absurd.
Posted by Art Vandelay on 2007 01 17 at 08:24 AM • permalink#24; Ben
One of the most important questions no one asks these nutcases is;
If you believe that Bush set up this complicated, convoluted conspiracy that had to involve hundreds, if not thousands, of people, all just to convince the world that we needed to stop Saddam cause he had WMDs, why the hell did they forget to plant WMDs in Iraq? Clearly to anyone who could mastermind 9/11, planting some WMDs in a desert would be a piece of cake…
#75: It’s not nice to make me snort Dr. Pepper. That really hurt.
But what you said is true. How very, very true.
Elizabeth
Imperial KeeperPosted by Elizabeth Imperial Keeper on 2007 01 17 at 12:42 PM • permalinkhkstar, you are a moron. More than that, you are a fucking moron. Shove your even handed nonjudgmentalism right up your ass.
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