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Q&A
Peacenik reader Chris Murphy emails: “Ponder, for a moment, what you would have thought had you read the following article five years ago.” Ponder we will:
US President George W Bush says there will be both “good days and bad days” ahead as the Iraq war enters its fifth year.
Mr Bush has marked the fourth anniversary of the war with a brief speech from the White House.
“It can be tempting to look at the challenges in Iraq and conclude our best option is to pack up and go home,” he said.
“That may be satisfying in the short run, but I believe the consequences for American security would be devastating.”
The President says the new Baghdad security plan is still in its early stages and success will take months, not days or weeks.
The conflict has claimed the lives of more than 3,200 members of the US military, stretching longer and with higher costs than the White House ever predicted.
Asks Chris: “Would you have thought that: a. such a scenario was sheer fantasy; b. Osama bin Laden had infiltrated the White House; c. those nasty leftists were right out of their trees (again); or d. if it ever came true, George Bush would be in jail or shot, but certainly not president? What a strange world we live in! And the Rabid Right reckons we’re deluded!”
Reply:
Ponder this, Chris:
The war with Saddam’s Iraq lasted weeks.
The war with Islamic lunatics began years prior to the war with Iraq, and continues now, with said lunatics presently attacking Iraq’s elected government - among many other targets worldwide.
It’ll go on a while yet. Choose your side.
Cheers,
Tim
Exactly, Tim. For my money the war began when an American presidential candidate was murdered over his support for Israel in 1968. (If you’re not sure who I mean, that only shows how the media have obscured the reality of Robert Kennedy’s assassination.) Others might date it to the PLO’s murder of American diplomats in 1973; the taking of more diplomats as hostages in Iran in 1979; or various attacks on American military personnel in the years since. But the idea that the war in Iraq is a discrete thing which only began 5 years ago is self-delusion.
A while back someone said to me the line about the Iraq War lasting longer than WWII. My response was, “Not if you were Czech or Chinese it hasn’t.” The moment we became fully engaged is scarcely the moment hostilities began. Our enemies have usually been getting their pieces in place and trying what they can for years in advance of our first move.
A while back someone said to me the line about the Iraq War lasting longer than WWII.
We’ve still got the Cold War with all of its proxy battles as a yard stick. 40 years of that puppy.
Still not as long as Viet Nam. Or the Korean Conflict, which never really ended.
Posted by Richard Cranium on 2007 03 20 at 08:23 AM • permalinkThis quote, previously posted by Grimmy, sums up my feelings toward these pro-surrender scumbags.
“War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things.
The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse.
The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.”
~John Stuart Mill - from On Liberty circa 1859
...Choose your side.
I’d say he already has. And Chris, the pathetic thing is that you and the rest of the recycled hippies aren’t in the least bit concerned (or aware) that the Islamists make no favorable distinctions between you and the rest of the West. You and your lifestyle are in their cross-hairs as much or more than the service members currently serving in Iraq.
Just go on smoking your dope and recycling the old Country Joe and the Fish tunes Chris. We’ll win this war in spite of you.If someone told me that four years into the Iraq war, we’d have lost only 3200 military personnel to the war, I would have called them delusionally optimistic. That’s about 800 deaths per year, which is on par with the military’s peacetime rate (PDF).
That’s not to say that their deaths are to be taken lightly, but as an argument against war, it is nonsense.
For my money the war began when an American presidential candidate was murdered over his support for Israel in 1968.
It might even go back as far as 1784 and the Barbary Pirates.
They’re simply not convinced we’re fighting Islamist terrorists over there. Of course, at the same time they are convinced we’re “creating more” of them.
Posted by spongeworthy on 2007 03 20 at 08:41 AM • permalinkTexas Bob is spot-on - the Left has chosen side, and for some time now. Denounce America and you get the port-side’s undies all dewy in an instant.
Posted by Jeffersonian on 2007 03 20 at 09:04 AM • permalinkHa! I remember every armchair general in the MSM saying it would be a good thing if we got off with only 10,000 casualties to go in an take “Baghdadgrad”.
But what do I know - I was only caught in the Afghan Quagmire - the destroyer of empires, the brutal Afghan Winter, yada, yada, yada.
Posted by Major John on 2007 03 20 at 09:04 AM • permalink#8 I concur.
If I could’ve read that speech 4 years ago, I’d deduce we had taken Baghdad with significantly less casualties than I thought we’d have*. Conversely, I would ask myself why it’s gone on four years but if I knew we were gunning down al Qaeda and Iranian terror proxies, I’d have considered it value for money.
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*Didn’t the Ted Kennedy crowd predict 10,000 lost just to Saddam’s WMDs? Unlike the Left, I am happy that no WMDs were at his disposal this time.A couple of years ago I worked up a truely depressing list for The Daily Brief, on all the incidents of Americans overseas being targeted by terrorists of all kinds between the end of the Vietnam War, and the bombing of the Cole. I’ll have to post in two parts, because it’s so long.For anyone who thinks it was all sweetness and light before 9/11, prepare to be enlightened and depressed
Item: 30 May, 1972. Members of the Japanese Red Army Faction, acting on behalf of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, open fire at Ben Gurion Airport, killing 26 and wounding 78. Many of them are American citizens from Puerto Rico
Item: 2 March 1973. Two American diplomats are taken hostage and murdered by at the US Embassy in Khartoum, Sudan; it is thought members of the Fatah faction were responsible, and that PLO leader Yassir Arafat gave the order for the murders.
Item: 23 December 1975 : Richard Welch, the CIA Station chief in Athens is murdered in front of his house by the Greek N17 terrorist group.
Item: 11 August 1976. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine attacks the El Al terminal at the airport in Istanbul, Turkey. An American citizen is among the 4 killed.
Item: 1 January, 1977. The ambassador to Lebanon and the US Economic counselor are kidnapped by the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine at a checkpoint in Beirut, and later murdered.
Item: 4 November 1979. A radical Islamic student faction seized the US Embassy in Tehran, and hold 66 diplomats and American citizens hostage. Thirteen are released, but the others are held until January of 1981.
Item: 17 December 1981: Italian terrorist group “Red Brigades” kidnaps a senior US army officer in Italy, BG. James Dozier; he is rescued by Italian police forces.
Item: 19 August 1982. Two American citizens are killed when the PLO bombs a Jewish restaurant in Paris, France.
Item: 18 April 1983. A truck-bomb kills 68 at the US Embassy in Beirut, Lebanon. Hizbollah, with backing from Iran is held responsible.
Item: 23 October 1983. A truck bomb destroys US Marine HQ in Beirut, Lebanon, killing 241 Marines. Hizbollah, apparently with the assistance of Syrian intelligence, and Iranian financing.
Item: 18 January-20 September 1983. In Beirut, Lebanon, the president of the American University (an American citizen) is assassinated. The head of the CNN news bureau is kidnapped, but escapes. A political officer from the US embassy is also kidnapped, but he was never released, and his body never found. A suicide bomb on the US Embassy killed 23. A van full of explosives detonated near the US Embassy annex in Aukar, Lebanon kills 2 Americans and a number of local employees and bystanders.
Item: 15 November 1983. The head of the Joint US Military Aid Group-Greece, US Navy Captain George Tsantes, along with his Greek driver is murdered on his way to work by the terrorist group N-17.
Item: 3 April 1984. A US Army NCO, Robert Judd is attacked while driving between JUSMAGG and the American air base at Hellenikon by the terrorist group N-17. He is injured, but survives.
Item: 12 April 1984. A popular restaurant near Torrejon AB, Spain is bombed. 18 US service members are killed. Hisbollah, again.
Item: 4 December 1984. Hisbollah hijacks a Kuwait Airlines flight en route from Dubai to Karachi. Two American passengers are murdered.
Item: 2 February 1985. Bobby’s in Glyphada, a bar popular with American service personnel in Athens is blown up with a small suitcase bomb. No one is killed, but many injuries.
Item: 14 June 1985. TWA Flight 847, from Athens to Rome was hijacked by Hisbollah. A US Navy diver returning from a TDY was murdered and his body dumped on the runway.
Item:8 August 1985. A car loaded with explosives is driven into a busy parking lot at the American base at Rhein-Main, and detonated. Two are killed, twenty injured. The Red Army Faction claims credit. It is thought the murder of an American soldier several days previous was done to secure his ID card, and facilitate moving the car bomb onto a guarded installation.
Item: 7 October 1985. The cruise- ship Achille Lauro was hijacked by members of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. They threw an elderly disabled American man into the ocean. His wheelchair was thrown in afterwards.
(more to follow)(More of the depressing list)Item: 27 December 1985. Terrorists from the Abu Nidal organization shoot up the El Al offices at Rome’s international airport. Seven Americans were among the 87 killed and wounded.
Item: 30 March 1986: A bomb exploded on a TWA Rome/Athens flight. Four Americans were killed, although the aircraft landed safely in Athens. The Fatah group was held responsible.
Item: 19 June 1985. Four off-duty Marines assigned to the American Embassy in San Salvador are murdered by local terrorists, while sitting at a table at a sidewalk café. They were in civilian clothes at the time.
Item: 5 April 1986. An explosion at a nightclub in Berlin popular with American service personnel kills three and injures 191. Two of the dead and 41 of the wounded are service personnel. The Libyan government is held responsible.
Item: 5 September 1986. Abu Nidal terrorists hijack a Karachi/Frankfurt Pan Am flight, and divert it to Cypress, demanding the freedom for three convicted murderers in exchange for the lives of the passengers. They eventually kill 22 of them, including two Americans.
Item: 9 September-21 October 1986: Three American citizens, two of them associated with the American University in Beirut are kidnapped. Two of them are held for 5 years by Hisbollah.
Item: 20 October 1987. An Air Force NCO and a retiree are murdered just outside Clark AB, in the Philippines.
Item: 27 December 87. An American civilian employee is killed in the bombing of the USO Club in Barcelona, Spain.
Item: 17 February 1988: Colonel William Higgins, USMC, while serving as part of the United Nations Truce Supervisory Organization in Lebanon, was abducted by Hisbollah. The US refused to negotiate, and Colonel Higgins was excecuted.
Item: 28 June 1988, a defense attaché to the American Embassy in Athens, US Navy Captain William Nordeen is murdered by the N-17 terrorist group, using a car bomb
Item: 21 December 1988. Pan American Flight 103, from Frankfurt to New York, was blown up over Scotland by agents of the government of Libya. Most of the 259 passengers are Americans. Another 11 people are killed on the ground.
Item: 21 April- 26 September 1989. An American army officer is assassinated in Manila, and two military retirees are murdered just outside the gates of Clark AB, the Philippines.
Item: 13 May 1990. Two young enlisted men are found murdered, outside Clark AB, the Philippines.
Item: 7-18 February 1991: Members of a far-leftist Turkish group kill an American civilian contractor at Incirlik AB, and wound an Air Force officer at his home in Izmir.
Item: 12 March 91: Air Force NCO, Ronald Stewart is killed by a car bomb in front of his house, in Athens, by the N-17 group.
Item: 28 October 1991. An American soldier is killed, and his wife wound by a car bomb at a joint Turkish-American base in Ankara. The Turkish Islamic Jihad claims responsibility. at October 28, 1991, Ankara, Turkey. Victor Marwick, an American soldier serving at the Turkish-American base, Tuslog, was killed and his wife wounded in a car bomb attack. Two more car bombs in Istanbul kill an Air Force NCO, and an Egyptian diplomat. The Turkish Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attacks.
Item: 5 July 1992. In a series of incidents in southeastern Turkey, the Kurdish PKK kidnaps 19 Western tourists, including one American. They are all eventually released unharmed.
Item: 26 February 1993. A bomb in a café in downtown Cairo kills three. Two Americans are among the injured.
Item: 8 March 1995 Two gunmen armed with AK-47s open fire on a van belonging to the US Consulate in Karachi, Pakistan. Two embassy staffers are killed, one injured.
Item: 4 July 1995. A Kashmiri militant group takes six tourists, including two Americans hostage, demanding the release of Muslim militants held in Indian prisions. One of the Americans escapes, and the militants execute a Norwegian hostage. Both the American and Indian governments refuse to deal. It is assumed the rest of the hostages were killed in 1996 by their captors.
Item: 13 November 1995. A car bomb in the parking lot of a building that houses a US military advisory group in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia kills seven person, five of them American citizens.
Item: 25 June 1996. An explosive-laden fuel truck explodes outside the Khobar Towers housing facility in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. 19 American military personnel are killed, and 515 persons are injured. A group identified as the Saudi Hizbollah is held responsible.
(Really long and depressing list, still more follows)(last part. Really)
Item: 12 November 1997. Four American employees of an oil company and their Pakistani driver are murdered by two unidentified gunmen, as they leave the Sheraton Hotel in Karachi, Pakistan.
Item: 7 August 1998. Car bombs explode at the US Embassy in Nairobi, Kenya, and at the US Embassy in Dar es Sala’am, Tanzania. 292 are killed in Nairobi, including 12 Americans and injured over 5,000. The Dar es Sala’am explosion kills 11 and injures 86. Osama bin Laden’s al-Qaida network claims responsibility.
Item: 28 December 1998. Sixteen tourists, including two Americans are kidnapped in Yemen. One hostage and a Yemeni guide escaped, and four hostages were later killed when local authorities closed in.
Item: 12 October 2000. A small boat laden with explosives rammed the USS Cole. The explosion kills 13 sailors and injures 33.http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21411910-2702,00.html
Extremists take over mosque…..in Australia! We will be fighting for a long time. and Im afraid it will be a war of attrition.
Mr. Murphy, Tim and the other readers have answered your question most eloquently. I can add little but my agreement.
I only hope that someday, soon, you will stop deluding yourselves. It’s a faint one, though, and I really don’t expect it to happen.
But don’t you worry none, y’hear? The rest of us will cover you while you writhe in mock shame.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 03 20 at 09:40 AM • permalinkSgtMom’s list should be put on flyers and handed out en masse at every leftist peace rally, especially to those old gray-haired idiots who are trying to relive their giddy college days.
And here’s a question for Mr. Chris Murphy: Ask yourself what would be happening today if we had done nothing at all.
Excellent summation SgtMom. Add to that Ramzi Yousef 1993 WTC 1.
The British were in Malaysia for 20 years fighting that insurrection.
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2007 03 20 at 10:36 AM • permalinkA companion piece for SgtMom, courtesy of my RWDB father (one of his email things):
The Global Islamic population is approximately 1,200,000,000, or 20% of the world population.
They have received the following Nobel Prizes:
Literature:
1988 - Najib Mahfooz
Peace:
1978 - Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat
1994 - Yaser Arafat
1990 - Elias James Corey
1999 - Ahmed Zewa
Economics: (none)
Medicine:
1960 - Peter Brian Medawar
1998 - Ferid Mourad **************************************The Global Jewish population is approximately 14,000,000, or about 0.02% of the world’s population.
They have received the following Nobel Prizes:
Literature:
1910 - Paul Heyse
1927 - Henri Bergson
1958 - Boris Pasternak
1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon
1966 - Nelly Sachs
1976 - Saul Bellow
1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer
1981 - Elias Canetti
1987 - Joseph Brodsky
1991 - Nadine Gordimer World
Peace:
1911 - Alfred Fried
1911 - Tobias Michael Carel Asser
1968 - Rene Cassin
1973 - Henry Kissinger
1978 - Menachem Begin
1986 - Elie Wiesel
1994 - Shimon Peres
1994 - Yitzhak Rabin
Physics:
1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer
1906 - Henri Moissan
1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson
1908 - Gabriel Lippmann
1910 - Otto Wallach
1915 - Richard Willstaetter
1918 - Fritz Haber
1921 - Albert Einstein
1922 - Niels Bohr
1925 - James Franck
1925 - Gustav Hertz
1943 - Gustav Stern
1943 - George Charles de Hevesy
1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi
1952 - Felix Bloch
1954 - Max Born
1958 - Igor Tamm
1959 - Emilio Segre
1960 - Donald A. Glaser
1961 - Robert Hofstadter
1961 - Melvin Calvin
1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau
1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz
1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman
1965 - Julian Schwinger
1969 - Murray Gell-Mann
1971 - Dennis Gabor
1972 - William Howard Stein
1973 - Brian David Josephson
1975 - Benjamin Mottleson
1976 - Burton Richter
1977 - Ilya Prigogine
1978 - Arno Allan Penzias
1978 - Peter L Kapitza
1979 - Stephen Weinberg
1979 - Sheldon Glashow
1979 - Herbert Charles Brown
1980 - Paul Berg
1980 - Walter Gilbert
1981 - Roald Hoffmann
1982 - Aaron Klug
1985 - Albert A. Hauptman
1985 - Jerome Karle
1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach
1988 - Robert Huber
1988 - Leon Lederman
1988 - Melvin Schwartz
1988 - Jack Steinberger
1989 - Sidney Altman
1990 - Jerome Friedman
1992 - Rudolph Marcus
1995 - Martin Perl
2000 - Alan J. Heeger
Economics:
1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson
1971 - Simon Kuznets
1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow
1975 - Leonid Kantorovich
1976 - Milton Friedman
1978 - Herbert A. Simon
1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein
1985 - Franco Modigliani
1987 - Robert M. Solow
1990 - Harry Markowitz
1990 - Merton Miller
1992 - Gary Becker
1993 - Robert Fogel
Medicine:
1908 - Elie Metchnikoff
1908 - Paul Erlich
1914 - Robert Barany
1922 - Otto Meyerhof
1930 - Karl Landsteiner
1931 - Otto Warburg
1936 - Otto Loewi
1944 - Joseph Erlanger
1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser
1945 - Ernst Boris Chain
1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller
1950 - Tadeus Reichstein
1952 - Selman Abra ham Waksman
1953 - Hans Krebs
1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann
1958 - Joshua Lederberg
1959 - Arthur Kornberg
1964 - Konrad Bloch
1965 - Francois Jacob
1965 - Andre Lwoff
1967 - George Wald
1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg
1969 - Salvador Luria
1970 - Julius Axelrod
1970 - Sir Bernard Katz
1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman
1975 - Howard Martin Temin
1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg
1977 - Roselyn Sussman Yalow
1978 - Daniel Nathans
1980 - Baruj Benacerraf
1984 - Cesar Milstein
1985 - Michael Stuart Brown
1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein
1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]
1988 - Gertrude Elion
1989 - Harold Varmus
1991 - Erwin Neher
1991 - Bert Sakmann
1993 - Richard J. Roberts
1993 - Phillip Sharp
1994 - Alfre d Gilman
1995 - Edward B. LewisThe Jews are not promoting brain washing the children in military training camps, teaching them how to blow themselves up and cause maximum deaths of Jews and other non Muslims.
The Jews don’t hijack planes, nor kill athletes at the Olympics.
The Jews don’t traffic slaves, nor have leaders calling for Jihad and death to all the Infidels.
Perhaps the world’s Muslims should consider investing more in standard education and less in blaming the Jews for all their problems.
All that said, I’ve never had an issue with Jews until now. Now I blame the Jews for physics. Jerks.
Excellent summary, SgtMom. I’m going to print that out and keep a copy on hand, to ward off collegiate peaceniks.
Re the Murphy e-mail: if I had read that four years ago, I would have breathed a sigh of relief, because it meant that Bush had been re-elected and the war hadn’t been nearly as disastrous as it could have been.
Posted by Tungsten Monk on 2007 03 20 at 10:47 AM • permalinkDan_W
We didn’t lose 26,000 at Gallipoli. We lost about 8,000. The total allied KIA at Gallipoli amount to about 45,000. The Poms, Indians and French took the brunt of the casualties.
The United Kingdom 21,255
France (estimated) 10,000
Australia 8,709
New Zealand 2,721
India 1,358
Newfoundland 49
Total Allies 44,072
Ottoman Empire 86,692(wronwright looks in the direction of Sgt. Mom, who still hasn’t return the Klingon Bird of Prey after six months)
I agree with Tim that the war between jihadi Islam and Western Civilization will go on for a long time. The question is how will it be waged? We could afford to put up with pin prick attacks. But a detonation of a WMD in a Western, Indian, or other population center is unacceptable. The Islamists have shown that that option is certainly on the table. When they demonstrated that, this became a whole nother war.
It’s time the leftists began understanding that.
(It’s also time for Sgt. Mom to bring back that freaking Bird of Prey. Or I swear, I’m sending out MarkL with the tow shuttle to repo it)
Posted by wronwright on 2007 03 20 at 12:29 PM • permalinkIf I learned one thing at the Gathering of Eagles this past weekend, it’s that the war has nothing to do with it.
These ANSWER people are not anti-war, they are anti-American. If you can believe them, they want ‘no countries, no god, no masters’...except of course the socialist/communist international entities that pay their bills.
They make the clear point that America is an anachronistic and evil country that must be dismantled. No matter what their cause of the moment is, make no mistake that they want America and the west in general, ultimately destroyed.
Memo
To: MarkL, Minion First Class
Subject: Overdue Klingon Bird of PreyYou are hereby ordered to take the tow shuttle and bring back the Klingon Bird of Prey named Koloth Death Fangs. It is currently parked outside the lunar orbit.
It was originally signed out to Sgt. Mom sometime last fall. By whom did you ask? Why you, you nincompoop. I told you not to lend out anything more lethal than a Ford Pinto to anyone below henchman class unless they show up with a signed and verfied Form I-WANT-1PEAS, prepared intriplicate. Not duplicate. Intriplicate. Sgt. Mom showed up, probably carrying a six pack of beer and a bag of pretzels, so you naturally lend out a war ship capable of inflicting global warming on an Al Gore scale.
I want that Bird of Prey Mark. I am getting tired of using an inflatable Bird of Prey balloon every time an inspection occurs. And I am growing very anxious that McEnroe and certainly Karl is growing suspicious that all seven birds of prey are not sitting in the hangar at Grooms Lake.
Take the shuttle and use the “repo sneek up” mode. Do it when American Idol is on. If Sgt. Mom notices your approach and ratchets up her disruptors, you have my permission to use the reasonable approach. Talk with her, make her see reason. Talk about peace, harmony, the love and well being of all mankind.
If that doesn’t work, contact Base and I’ll send out the dreadnought. Then I’ll fry her ass.
Posted by wronwright on 2007 03 20 at 02:39 PM • permalinkwron, I have directed MarkL to tend to your order forthwith in the manner that it deserves.
(Sounds of distant flushing.)
And I believe he is doing so at this moment.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2007 03 20 at 03:50 PM • permalinkAh yes, Andrea. If I recall correctly, Sgt. Mom lent you the Koloth a few times. Every time I show up at her place, she would say you have it. Then I’d go to Orlando and you would say she has it. Does Hertz have to go through this? I think not.
So feel free to go joy riding with SM. I’m warming up the Praetor’s Sword as I type. I’m due for a two-for-one.
(wronwright issues a Wild E Coyote chuckle and a slight knowing nod; he’s very satisfied, at the moment)
Posted by wronwright on 2007 03 20 at 04:03 PM • permalink#14 “sweetness and light before 9/11”
Everyone Knows(TM) war only begins when an American soldier is finally allowed to pull a trigger.Posted by dean martin on 2007 03 20 at 04:52 PM • permalink“Excellent summation SgtMom.”
Yeah, and that’s only a partial list.
As to the length of the war…the United States was involved in a continuous war with the Indians from the moment of its creation in 1776 until the 1880s/1890s, so a war in Iraq which has lasted less than 20 years is no big thing to anyone who has a sense of perspective.
And, yes I did say “20 years”. The war with Iraq started in 1990 when the Iraqi-scum invaded Kuwait. This is the same old war, despite the attempts of lefty and MSM propagandists who try to claim that the war began in 2003.
Posted by Dave Surls on 2007 03 20 at 05:28 PM • permalinkGreat article by Janet Albrechtsen in today’s Oz.
Liberalism a luxury during war
Posted by ozconservative on 2007 03 20 at 07:05 PM • permalinkPerhaps quotey boy might like this article
What happens in northern Iraq.
Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2007 03 20 at 07:38 PM • permalink2003 Bird of Prey. Tidy example. Low miles, leather interior, AT, PS, navigation system, climate change package, FSH, 12 months tax, long MOT. Genuine reason for sale.
Posted by Vanguard of the Commentariat on 2007 03 20 at 09:07 PM • permalinkThank you, greene. (I was carefully educated, you know!!!) Doing the list depressed me utterly, because I had forgotten so many of the incidents. I had been overseas from 1978 to 1991, when much of the worst of it was happening. It all reminded me very vividly of how I spent a lot of time in Greece and Spain, looking nervously over my shoulder, and working very hard at not looking like an American.
It was a common thing on AFRTS, giving all the handy tips about blending in. Don’t wear uniforms off-base. Wear locally-bought clothes, nothing with an American flag on it. No tee-shirts with unit logos or American slang espressions on it, no jeans, either. Don’t speak English loudly in public. No service insignia on your luggage, no identifiable stickers on your car. Don’t flash American money, and if a hijack or hostage situation goes down, quietly hide your checkbook if your service rank is on the blank checks… AND your DOD ID card. Doing so could save your life. Travel on a civilian passport, if you have one… oh, the list went on and on. Just like the three-parter.
Hey, wronwright, any luck with the Bird of Prey, yet?
On the subject of Iraq, Sky News Australia is running poll which asks should Australia increase it troop commitment to: 1/ Afghanistan; 2/ Iraq; 3/Both; 4/ Neither.
At 8am or so the results were something like this: 1/ 22% 2/ 1% 3/ 20% 4/ 57%. Newsreader Leigh Hatcher’s interpretation? “only 1% of people support sending more troops to Iraq”. Look at the figures again, Leigh.
A couple of news items later, the bias of Sky News reared its ugly head again. It said there was going to be a shortage of palm fronds for Palm Sunday. Sky listed the reasons as the drought and the clearing of forests. Drought might have some effect but since when has the date palm been part of Australian forests? And even if they were, why are people going into the forests and chopping bits off them just to throw on the road?
A good answer Tim, but Wee Chris has already chosen his side. He is with the fascists.
You know Wronwright, I think Q Branch is upset with you for some reason. I’m glad I’m working on the Weather Control Project.
Posted by Michael Lonie on 2007 03 20 at 11:37 PM • permalink12th Imam missing.
Nah Ive got him working at the piggery, he is particularly interested in the breeding side of things. For some reason the sows seem nervous and the boars scoot their bums on the floor when hes on duty though….
Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2007 03 21 at 01:03 AM • permalinkTa da, ta dum, Ohoh for another day at the office.
What the?? Minion Grade four Number 231747!! If you do not get that steel rasp going on that moonbat’s goolies you’ll take his place! You know how the screams make the place seem homely!
<aaaaaaaeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiggggghhhhhhhhhhhh!!!>
That’s better. VRWC mood music if ever I heard it.
Hmm. A memo from Wron! Bet he wants more Sumerian mead and a location on his Zulu Spear.
Uh-oh.
Memo
To: MarkL, Minion First Class
Subject: Overdue Klingon Bird of Prey
You are hereby ordered to take the tow shuttle and bring back the Klingon Bird of Prey named Koloth Death Fangs. It is currently parked outside the lunar orbit.It was originally signed out to Sgt. Mom sometime last fall. By whom did you ask? Why you, you nincompoop. I told you not to lend out anything more lethal than a Ford Pinto to anyone below henchman class unless they show up with a signed and verfied Form I-WANT-1PEAS, prepared intriplicate. Not duplicate. Intriplicate. Sgt. Mom showed up, probably carrying a six pack of beer and a bag of pretzels, so you naturally lend out a war ship capable of inflicting global warming on an Al Gore scale.
I want that Bird of Prey Mark. I am getting tired of using an inflatable Bird of Prey balloon every time an inspection occurs. And I am growing very anxious that McEnroe and certainly Karl is growing suspicious that all seven birds of prey are not sitting in the hangar at Grooms Lake.
Take the shuttle and use the “repo sneek up” mode. Do it when American Idol is on. If Sgt. Mom notices your approach and ratchets up her disruptors, you have my permission to use the reasonable approach. Talk with her, make her see reason. Talk about peace, harmony, the love and well being of all mankind.
If that doesn’t work, contact Base and I’ll send out the dreadnought. Then I’ll fry her ass.
Hmm. Better run this one past the Mighty Mistress Andrea in accordance with her standing orders and that sound thrashing she gave me when she delivered them. Hmph. At least SHE sticks to the good old ways! Unlike some. And there is the Secret Plan #666 to consider….Ok, sent on…
…that was quick!
OK then, I’d better use the special toilet for this one. Hmm. Where is that crocodile gun?? Oh, stuff it, I’ll take the usual shortcut. Minion Grade six Number 428568, throw a dozen moonbats into the special toilet to keep the crocodiles otherwise engaged. Use the ones who burned a US soldier in effigy at Portland.
Hee! They scream funny.
wron, I have directed MarkL to tend to your order forthwith in the manner that it deserves.
(Sounds of distant flushing.)
And I believe he is doing so at this moment.Ok, better close the file on this one. There, that’s the Mighty Blogmistress told.
Next order of business… bugger.Uh-oh. Someone is going to get smacked upside the head.
Ah yes, Andrea. If I recall correctly, Sgt. Mom lent you the Koloth a few times. Every time I show up at her place, she would say you have it. Then I’d go to Orlando and you would say she has it. Does Hertz have to go through this? I think not.
So feel free to go joy riding with SM. I’m warming up the Praetor’s Sword as I type. I’m due for a two-for-one.
(wronwright issues a Wild E Coyote chuckle and a slight knowing nod; he’s very satisfied, at the moment)Minion Grad Nine Number 749837, warm up the PACO Industries Special “Shredded Wronwright Mk XVII nano-rebuilder” Looks like Mistress Andrea will be getting some slicing and dicing practise. Again.
Anyhoo. Time to do what the VRWC does best, falsify the records…
Service Record: Klingon Bird of Prey named Koloth Death Fangs
June 2005- September 2005
- under drive maintenance (Bay 9)
September 2005
- Signed out to SGT Mom.
- repainted to new VRWC ‘Ominous Iron Overcast’ scheme.
- currently conducting paint scheme trials in trailing trojanThat’ll do it. Now, I just have to ship Michael Moore to that estimable Laertes of teh VRWC, frollickingmole, so the 12th imam can give the pigs a rest while using Moore’s 476 miles of fat rolls for his perverted pleasure.
All in a normal morning’s work
MarkL
Minionmeister to the VRWC#14, #15. Thanks for the list SgtMom.
Hope you don’t mind if I use it to quote from in various arguments I plan to have?
Posted by carpefraise on 2007 03 21 at 05:49 AM • permalink#16, oops, and thanks for this too!
#24, thanks for that list too! Are you aware that some f***knuckle Arab recently accused the west of being “racist” becasaue so many Jews have received Nobel Prizes?
I kid you not. here
Posted by carpefraise on 2007 03 21 at 06:12 AM • permalinkHoly Dooley!
My son and I just worked out the ratios.
The Global Islamic population is approximately 1,200,000,000, or 20% of the world population.
They have received seven Nobel Prizes (1 per 171,428,571 towellies).
The Global Jewish population is approximately 14,000,000, or about 0.02% of the world’s population.
They have received 127 Nobel Prizes (or about 1 per 110,236 of the Jewish faith).
So intellectually, each Jew is worth 1,555 towelheads!
SO old mohammad the paedophile was wrong, eh? the intellectual ratio of Jew:islamotard ratio is 1:1555, at least in the ‘worth to humanity’ department….
MarkL
canberraHmmmph…Wish I could get a ride in a Kligon Bird of Prey. Maybe I should get out my cluebat and give a few demos at the next protest. That might get me some
respectattention.Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2007 03 21 at 07:57 AM • permalinkNilknarf,
You really don’t want to hitch a ride with Thelma and Louise. Do you remember that episode of the original Star Trek series when the Romulan warbird fired a cannon that emitted a vast plasma cloud? It turned duranium or whatever that unbreakable metal was called into brittle plaster. Well, I’m warming up an even bigger version of that cannon. That Bird is about to be fricasseed.
(wronwright issues another quiet but smug chuckle)
Posted by wronwright on 2007 03 21 at 01:27 PM • permalinkBrad Pitt was in that movie? I wouldn’t know since I didn’t see it. It’s a chick flick.
And if it’s all the same with you, I’d rather not talk about Brad and Colin working their wiles on you and Andrea. I mean geesh. Take them with you for all I care. In fact, I prefer it.
If you don’t bring that Bird of Prey back, they’re getting zapped along with you two dames. Just as soon as I grab enough minions to man my Warbird.
Posted by wronwright on 2007 03 21 at 04:28 PM • permalinkI was in Korea when Rangoon Bombing occurred. The consensus at the time was that if the NorKor Special Purpose Force contingent had managed to kill the South Korean President while he was visiting Rangoon, that would have been the “go ahead” for the North’s planned “reunification” assault.
Then this happened:
Item: 23 October 1983. A truck bomb destroys US Marine HQ in Beirut, Lebanon, killing 241 Marines. Hizbollah, apparently with the assistance of Syrian intelligence, and Iranian financing.
After the rage died down enough for critical thinking to kick in again, the general consensus was that the muslim shitheads blew the schedule and fired off late.
North Korea had/has been the “cut out man” in many of USSR’s training and utilization of arab/muslim terror organizations since the late ‘60s.
There was heavy suspicion that the Beirut bombing was supposed to occur prior to the Rangoon bombing in order to disrupt US plans regarding reinforcement of South Korea by having US forces in route to Lebanon.
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Why the chortling from the left? I don’t believe that the US and its allies believed anything other than the fact that it was always going to be a long haul.
Had Bush said otherwise?