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This story appeared more than a year prior to 2005’s London transport bombings:

Four young British Muslims in their twenties - a social worker, an IT specialist, a security guard and a financial adviser - occupy a table at a fast-food chicken restaurant in Luton. Perched on their plastic chairs, wolfing down their dinner, they seem just ordinary young men. Yet out of their mouths pour heated words of revolution.

“As far as I’m concerned, when they bomb London, the bigger the better,” says Abdul Haq, the social worker. “I know it’s going to happen because Sheikh bin Laden said so. Like Bali, like Turkey, like Madrid - I pray for it, I look forward to the day.”

Those “homegrown terrorist” attacks of July 7 weren’t quite as much of a surprise as many thought. And now we have this:

British police said last night they had arrested 16 men in two separate anti-terrorism operations just three weeks after uncovering a suspected plot to bring down US-bound airliners over the Atlantic.

Fourteen of the men were held in London in an operation that a police source said focused on suspected “training, recruitment and encouraging others to take part in terrorist activity”.

Twelve suspects were arrested at or near a Chinese restaurant. Osama fans enjoy eating out. Meanwhile, in Morocco:

The Moroccan police have arrested 56 suspected members of a terrorist network as part of a monthlong antiterror sweep, the country’s official news agency reported on Thursday.

The suspects, associated with a Muslim group calling itself Ansar al-Mahdi, are accused of plotting terrorist attacks in the North African kingdom, the official MAP news agency said. Moroccan officials could not be reached for comment on Friday.

The group was planning to “announce a holy war in the mountains of North Morocco, attack sensitive targets, foreign interests and well-known Moroccans because they represent the state or for moral reasons,” the news agency quoted the interior minister, Chakib Benmoussa, as saying.

If only Morocco hadn’t joined the invasion of Iraq. Then the nation would be safe. Just like Germany.

UPDATE. Peter Clarke, head of Metropolitan Police anti-terror efforts:

What we’ve learned since 9/11 is that the threat is not something that’s simply coming from overseas into the United Kingdom. What we’ve learned, and what we’ve seen all too graphically and all too murderously, is that we have a threat which is being generated here within the United Kingdom.

A complete blogger round-up here.

(Via Instapundit)

Posted by Tim B. on 09/02/2006 at 01:24 PM
  1. Yeah, when I read off of the Net that they’d met at a restaurant, I figured a curry house. (I guess that makes me guilty of ethnic profiling.) And then just saw on the TV news report that it was actually a Chinese restaurant, surprising me, forgotten the name already, but it had something to do with a bridge as there was its logo-ad of a pagoda with a bridge and old London Bridge side-by-side opening for a boat. BTW, with 19 do you get egg roll?

    Posted by andycanuck on 2006 09 02 at 01:51 PM • permalink

  2. Osama fans enjoy eating out.

    But I thought pork was forbidden to Muslims?

    Posted by andycanuck on 2006 09 02 at 01:53 PM • permalink

  3. Twelve suspects were arrested at or near a Chinese restaurant.

    I saw a jihadi with a Chinese menu in his hand
    Walking through the streets of Soho in the rain
    He was looking for a place called Lee Ho Fook’s
    Going to get himself a big dish of beef chow mein
    Ah-oo, Jihadis of London!

    Posted by Rob Crawford on 2006 09 02 at 02:19 PM • permalink

  4. #3,
    What about the hook-handed gent who ran amok in Kent?.

    Posted by Daniel San on 2006 09 02 at 03:00 PM • permalink

  5. He’s the hook-handed gent, who ran amok in Kent.
    Lately he’s been praying in Mayfair.
    You better stay away from him, he’ll cut your head off Jim.
    Huh, I’d like to meet his sheik.

    Posted by murph on 2006 09 02 at 03:12 PM • permalink

  6. I miss that guy.  I always need Lawyers, Guns, and Money.

    Don’t ask.

    Posted by ushie on 2006 09 02 at 03:27 PM • permalink

  7. Sounds like the Brits are getting serious.  Finally.  It’s always fun until somebody blows up a train.

    Posted by RebeccaH on 2006 09 02 at 03:37 PM • permalink

  8. Dammit, now even my crab rangoon are tainted by jihad.

    Posted by tiggy on 2006 09 02 at 03:55 PM • permalink

  9. #7 no chance.  Unfortunately living in London now.

    When the terrorists were arrested for trying to blow up the aircraft, my allegedly intelligent boss turned to me and said: “this is almost certainly because of what’s going on in lebanon.  Tony Blair should not be a mate of Israel”

    At which point I went to the bathroom to wash my face.

    This country is phuct.

    Posted by murph on 2006 09 02 at 04:15 PM • permalink

  10. I saw a Jihadi drinking a pina colada at Trader Vic’s, and his hypocrisy was perfect.

    Ah-oo Jihadis of London.

    Posted by EliotNess on 2006 09 02 at 06:03 PM • permalink

  11. Can we expel them yet?, along with these untermensch?

    Posted by daza on 2006 09 02 at 06:05 PM • permalink

  12. I heard on the radio that it was a halal Chinese restaurant. A mix and match multiculturalism?

    Posted by Andjam on 2006 09 02 at 07:32 PM • permalink

  13. #11: I’m new here, so I won’t presume to lecture anyone as to how they should conduct themselves on this site…except to say that using words like that is most definitely NOT cool.

    The left seem to find it all too easy to label anyone with conservative views as a Nazi - let’s not give them ammunition.

    Posted by Wally on 2006 09 02 at 07:33 PM • permalink

  14. It’s only a matter of time until Britain gets hit again, and when they do, it’s going to be the US that the British public blame.  This is turn will cause a lot of Americans to question the motives of the British people and at some point, a revoking of the special British passport privileges that are unique to that country.  It becomes a security issue.

    And can it be any other way?  Britain has recklessly let in hundreds of thousands of ‘Barbarians’, drilled into their heads that the native culture is rather decadent and not worth defending, and that there is no need to assimilate.  Add to that, the irresponsible reporting of the Guardian, BBC, etc. which is most times biased and at worst a flat out lie, then for your average Briton it is indeed America’s fault that his countrymen are dying, even though it is a situation of his own making.

    So while the British government is cracking down, I’m not at all convinced it’s for the right reasons.  Nothing positive can come of this unless British Islamism’s true ideological roots are confronted and nothing leads me to believe that Britain is equipped to do that. 

    It’s rather sad and I think it portends America’s future to a degree.

    Posted by Cornelius on 2006 09 02 at 07:40 PM • permalink

  15. Geez, and here I thought the main danger of Chinese restaurants was that they used cat meat.

    Posted by paco on 2006 09 02 at 07:41 PM • permalink

  16. #13,firstly, they label anybody who criticizes multiculturalism as a nazi, secondly, anybody who rapes a 15 year old girl for 22 hours is not fit to be considered a member of the human race, they are indeed sub-human in every sense of the word.  They, and their ilk, should never have been allowed into the country in the first place and all of them need to be deported,  post-haste.

    Posted by daza on 2006 09 02 at 07:48 PM • permalink

  17. #15, well, more dangerous to cats at least.

    Posted by daza on 2006 09 02 at 07:49 PM • permalink

  18. It’d be a shame if the jihad came to such a culturally rich country as Morocco.  Remember, that’s where Black Hawk Down was filmed.

    Posted by The Sanity Inspector on 2006 09 02 at 07:52 PM • permalink

  19. (As long as it’s halal. My dad used to say there’s more than one way to skin a cat.)
    Moroccan officials could not be reached for comment ..
    They were probably away on a seminar to learn Sensitive Interrogation Technique, Best Human Rights Practise, and Evidentiary Scrupulousness.

    Posted by blogstrop on 2006 09 02 at 07:57 PM • permalink

  20. #16: Oh, I agree entirely.  I just think that the point should be made without evoking such a repugnant epithet as “untermensch”.

    Posted by Wally on 2006 09 02 at 08:03 PM • permalink

  21. Islam is sort of TV without regularly scheduled programs.

    Posted by rhhardin on 2006 09 02 at 08:08 PM • permalink

  22. I miss that guy.  I always need Lawyers, Guns, and Money.

    I was planning to blow up transit
    The way I always do
    ‘Coz it’s easy for me to hide
    In multiculturalist goo

    I’m sending money to madrassas
    You think nothing is amiss
    No Reagan, Bush, or Blair
    Will get you out of this!

    I am the sinister subversive
    Somehow you got took
    By believing my taqqiya
    Now die, you poor schnook!
    Well die, you poor schnook!
    Yes die, you poor schnook!

    Now I’m breeding in the Midlands
    Increasing your dismay
    No Reagan, Bush, or Blair
    The caliphate’s on the way!

    Posted by The Sanity Inspector on 2006 09 02 at 08:14 PM • permalink

  23. #20, once, that would be true, however I suggest we are rapidly coming to the point when we can no longer afford to pander to the wants of the left.  The already consider me a member of the ‘neo-nazi-baby-eating-gas-chamber-operating-kkk’ party, so I don’t give a damn what the marxist filth think of me.  If you have any other questions, feel free to call me on 0431 739 260.

    Posted by daza on 2006 09 02 at 08:22 PM • permalink

  24. O/T

    Happy Fathers’ Day
    To all you Dads out there.

    Posted by kae on 2006 09 02 at 09:05 PM • permalink

  25. God Bless Warren Zevon.  Now I know I’m blogging with the elite.

    Posted by Howzat on 2006 09 02 at 09:31 PM • permalink

  26. Take a minute to read this story…......

    From the daughter of a Soldier.

    Last week I was in Melbourne attending a conference. While I was in the
    airport, returning home, I heard several people behind me beginning to
    clap and cheer.
    I immediately turned around and witnessed one of the greatest acts of
    patriotism I have ever seen.
    Moving through the terminal was a group of soldiers in their uniforms,
    As they began heading to their gate everyone (well almost everyone) was
    abruptly to their feet with their hands waving and cheering. When I saw
    The soldiers, probably 30-40 of them, being applauded and cheered for, it hit me. I’m not alone.  I’m not the
    only red blooded Australian who still loves this country and supports our
    Troops and their families.

    Of course I immediately stopped and began clapping for these Young
    Unsung heroes who are putting their lives on the line everyday for us so
    we can go to school, work, and enjoy our home without fear or reprisal.

    Just when I thought I could not be more proud of my country or of our
    service men and women a young girl, not more than 6 or 7 years old, ran
    Up to one of the male soldiers.
    He knelt down and said “hi,” the little girl then asked him if he would
    Give something to her daddy for her. The young soldier didn’t look any
    older than maybe 22 himself, said he would try and what did she want to give
    To her daddy.

    Suddenly the little girl grabbed the neck of this soldier, gave him
    the biggest hug she could muster and then kissed him on the cheek.
    The mother of the little girl, who said her daughters name was
    Courtney, told the young soldier that her husband was a Corporal and
    had been in Afghanistan for 11 months now. As the mum was explaining
    how much her daughter, Courtney, missed her father, the young soldier
    began to tear up.

    When this temporarily single mum was done explaining her situation,
    all of the soldiers huddled together for a brief second. Then one of
    the other servicemen pulled out a military looking walkie-talkie. They
    Started playing with the device and talking back and forth on it. After
    about 10-15 seconds of this, the young soldier walked back over to Courtney,
    bent down and said this to her, “I spoke to your daddy and he told me to give
    this to you.” He then hugged this little girl that he had just met and gave
    her a kiss on the cheek. He finished by saying “Your daddy told me to tell
    you that he loves you more than anything and he is coming home very
    soon.”

    The mum at this point was crying almost uncontrollably and as the young
    soldier stood to his feet he saluted Courtney and her mum. I was
    standing no more than 6 feet away as this entire event unfolded.

    As the soldiers began to leave, heading towards their gate, People
    resumed their applause. As I stood there applauding and looked around, there
    were very few dry eyes, including my own.

    That young soldier in one last act of moment turned around and blew a
    kiss to Courtney with a tear rolling down his cheek.

    We need to remember everyday all of our soldiers and their Families and
    thank God for them and their sacrifices.

    At the end of the day, it’s good to be an Australian.

    RED FRIDAYS
    Very soon, you will see a great many people wearing Red every Friday.
    The reason? Australian’s who support our troops used to be called the
    “silent majority”.
    We are no longer silent, and are voicing our love for God,
    country and home in record breaking numbers. We are not organised,
    boisterous or over-bearing. We get no liberal media coverage on TV, to
    reflect our message or our opinions.

    Many Australian’s, like you, me and all our friends, simply want to
    recognise that the vast majority of Australia supports our troops.
    Our idea of showing solidarity and support for our troops with dignity
    and respect starts this Friday -and continues each and every Friday until
    the troops all come home, sending a deafening message that every Australian
    who supports our men and women afar will wear something red.
    By word of mouth, press, TV—let’s make Australia every Friday a sea
    Of red much like a homecoming football team.
    If every one of us who loves this country will share this with
    acquaintances, co-workers, friends, and family.  It will not be long
    before Australia’s covered in RED and it will let our troops know the once
    “silent"majority is on their side more than ever, certainly more than the media
    lets on.

    The first thing a soldier says when asked “What can we do to Make
    things better for you?”  is…“We need your support and your prayers”.
    Let’s get the word out and lead with class and dignity, by example; and
    wear something red every Friday.

    IF YOU AGREE— THEN SEND THIS ON IF YOU COULD NOT CARE LESS THEN HIT
    THE DELETE BUTTON. IT IS YOUR CHOICE.

    THEIR BLOOD RUNS RED——SO WEAR RED!—- Lest we Forget,
    Lest we Forget.
    HAVE A GREAT DAY!

    Posted by Howzat on 2006 09 02 at 09:35 PM • permalink

  27. Howzat, please don’t post articles without attribution.

    Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 09 02 at 09:41 PM • permalink

  28. Geez, Howzat, you sure know how to turn a bloke into a blubbering, sobbing mess on Fathers Day - great post.

    Posted by EliotNess on 2006 09 02 at 09:41 PM • permalink

  29. Sorry Andrea this article came via an email from a friend, it was an emotional knee jerk reaction to share it.

    Posted by Howzat on 2006 09 02 at 09:51 PM • permalink

  30. Islam is sort of TV without regularly scheduled programs.

    They have regularly scheduled pogroms instead.

    Posted by PW on 2006 09 02 at 10:17 PM • permalink

  31. Howzat, that’s a great piece and great idea, and I hope it catches on everywhere.  It’s simple and dignified.

    To Andrea:  Couldn’t you have been a lot more tactful and positive on this one??

    Gosh, It’s so rare to read this in Australia that I did a double take, thinking it must be the US of America [which I know well.]

    Posted by Barrie on 2006 09 02 at 10:40 PM • permalink

  32. OT:

    Thats it, I’ve had it. Muslims can try and convert us though when they start dissing a birthday party for the departed Freddie Mercury things have gone way, way too far.

    Bismillah!

    Posted by Nic on 2006 09 02 at 10:44 PM • permalink

  33. Legions of Queen fans will now turn on Zanzibar muslims - their new anthem - We will, we will nuke you!

    Posted by EliotNess on 2006 09 02 at 11:31 PM • permalink

  34. #13 Presume away, and welcome. I have objected to this individual’s use of the term on this site many times.

    We cut nature up, organise it into concepts, and ascribe significances as we do, largely because we are parties to an agreement that holds throughout our speech community and is codified in the patterns of our language.

    The agreement is, of course, an implicit and unstated one, but its terms are absolutely obligatory; we cannot talk at all except by subscribing to the organisation and classification of data which the agreement decrees.

    I happen to reject the “taxonomy” of the word used in post #12. The fact that the deponent persists in employing it places that individual outside my “community”—and renders all they say suspect, even that with which I might agree in principle or substance.

    Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 09 03 at 01:15 AM • permalink

  35. And could the song “God Help Me, I Was Only Nineteen” be recognised for the load of twat that it really is. If I hear it played one more time supposedly to “honour” any of our military memorial days I might just Go Postal.
    There is a need for some more appropriate military songs.

    Posted by blogstrop on 2006 09 03 at 01:16 AM • permalink

  36. #35 I’m with you, blogstrop. The Vets I know—here and in America, my brothers and me served too—expect and deserve better than that whining crap.

    Working in an vintage ‘43 engine room on a Cruiser deafened me by about 0, but songs like that make me almost glad it did.

    I’ll be Wearing Red this Friday.

    Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 09 03 at 01:31 AM • permalink

  37. #13, I agree with you too.

    Posted by Art Vandelay on 2006 09 03 at 01:38 AM • permalink

  38. Gosh MentalFloss, your such good tapdancer!.
    Enjoy while it lasts, ‘cause the guys that pray five times a day don’t like dancing.  As I have previously stated, a line must be drawn and a stand is to be taken, the day is getting on and the time will come when mere words will no longer be an option.  If the problems we face now are not solved soon, via legitimate political means, they may very well be solved in the future will baseball bats or worse. 

    As for the unmentionable word, I do like to bring it out for those special occasions. :)

    Posted by daza on 2006 09 03 at 02:11 AM • permalink

  39. #13 - I’m not new here, and I agree with you.  The term is loathsome and its use contemptible, regardless of ones position in the political spectrum.  It says far more about the person using it than the object of the invective, and none of it good.

    Posted by Achillea on 2006 09 03 at 02:12 AM • permalink

  40. err, ‘with baseball bats’, sheesh.

    Posted by daza on 2006 09 03 at 02:13 AM • permalink

  41. Howzat (#26)
    That email has been doing the rounds for a couple of weeks in Oz, and has been the subject of some discussion on military forums on the web.
    Consensus is that it was created in the US based on an Anheuser-Busch commercial titled “Quiet Commercial”, and the key words changed to fit Australia. Nice sentiment, but not Australian.

    There is no “Red Friday” contemplated in Australia via any ex service organisation that I am aware of.

    View a video of the commercial at Ugoto:
    Click here

    Posted by Pedro the Ignorant on 2006 09 03 at 03:33 AM • permalink

  42. daza,
    I’ve been known to use that word on special occasions, though not in polite company. While the word is a useful descriptor it does carry a lot of baggage with it, which can damage our cause amongst moderates( couldn’t care less what leftys think).

    Posted by Daniel San on 2006 09 03 at 03:38 AM • permalink

  43. But I thought pork was forbidden to Muslims?

    It’s ok, they were probably eating dog.

    Posted by Chris Mann on 2006 09 03 at 04:10 AM • permalink

  44. #42, the so called ‘moderates’ need to make a decision. I have no stock in a ‘moderate’ position, I mean, does anyone believe in such a thing as a ‘muslim moderate’ ?, if not, why believe in any other type of moderate?

    Posted by daza on 2006 09 03 at 04:16 AM • permalink

  45. #26: I live in Hong Kong but will be wearing red every Friday. Thank you for posting that email.

    Posted by Hanyu on 2006 09 03 at 04:53 AM • permalink

  46. As for the concept of ‘home grown’, have a read of this - ‘creating the ‘J’ generation’.

    Posted by daza on 2006 09 03 at 04:58 AM • permalink

  47. Thank you Pedro, but I still like the idea of wearing Red on Friday’s to show support for our military personnel who have to put their lives on the line.

    Posted by Howzat on 2006 09 03 at 05:58 AM • permalink

  48. The days of the the lefty ratbags spitting on our troops and abusing them as “baby killers” etc. are long gone.

    Those shameful mongrels who did that shit back in the day now live with their shame. It is not forgotten nor forgiven by the Diggers on the receiving end.

    If you would like to support our soldiers on operations around the world in a practical way, drop a few bucks to Legacy

    Posted by Pedro the Ignorant on 2006 09 03 at 08:16 AM • permalink

  49. #44 daza,
    By moderate I mean fence sitters, the Western variety. Like you, I don’t believe in the existence of rag-head moderates.

    Posted by Daniel San on 2006 09 03 at 09:04 AM • permalink

  50. #46 daza,
    Thanks for the link, good to hear that some of them are being refused service in shops. It’s a start.

    Posted by Daniel San on 2006 09 03 at 09:10 AM • permalink

  51. #9 Ah the four letter words-Phat Phil Adams just dashed off a whole column in the Oz,dwelling on the words f@#* and c*@#! and various delightful derivations of these.He happily takes credit for promoting obscenities.He really is a Nowhere Man.

    Posted by crash on 2006 09 03 at 09:31 AM • permalink

  52. Not the first time they’ve congregated at Chinese restaurants apparently.

    What’s with that ... the sweet and sour pork :-)

    Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2006 09 03 at 10:06 AM • permalink

  53. Daniel San: what kind of good does refusing people service in a shop do? If they are being obnoxious, that’s one thing, but simply being a Muslim woman—which makes her a figure of oppression, no matter how blind at the moment she is to the facts of her existence—isn’t grounds for refusing anyone service; it’s just rude and pointless bigotry that will not serve our cause.

    Of course, like all articles on this subject, it is beyond vague as to the nature of the “refusal of service” that the woman experienced, so what really happened is impossible to conjecture.

    Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 09 03 at 10:18 AM • permalink

  54. Chinese restauants….?

    We have a big brand new Islamic Center (thank you, Saudi Arabia!) nearby, as well as an Islamic Chinese restaurant.  Seeing as how this is the Land of Adam Gadahn, perhaps the coppers should stop by for some egg rolls?

    Posted by Patricia on 2006 09 03 at 11:36 AM • permalink

  55. #41 said: “That email has been doing the rounds for a couple of weeks in Oz, and has been the subject of some discussion on military forums on the web.
    Consensus is that it was created in the US based on an Anheuser-Busch commercial titled “Quiet Commercial”, and the key words changed to fit Australia. Nice sentiment, but not Australian.”

    Yeah, the e-mail is touching, but sounds too good to be true.  Hence, admin was right to admonish the poster for publishing an uncorroborated “chain-letter.”

    Posted by mockmook on 2006 09 03 at 12:28 PM • permalink

  56. #53 Andrea,
    Rude but necessary. Besides, trying to establish a global caliphate could be considered quite rude. If these zombies get their wish I’ll be getting a whole lot ruder. Being refused service will let them know that ordinary people are sick of their bullshit and are standing up to them. If we are going to deal with this menace we will need to do some things that go against our nature, it won’t be pleasant.

    Posted by Daniel San on 2006 09 03 at 12:55 PM • permalink

  57. Being refused service will let them know that ordinary people are sick of their bullshit and are standing up to them.

    What bullshit? Buying something?

    Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 09 03 at 03:19 PM • permalink

  58. Threats to our civilization, our way of life, abound.

    I consider the poster at #11 to be AT LEAST as much a threat to me and my family as any Muslim.

    Having said that, I invite response.

    Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 09 03 at 04:50 PM • permalink

  59. Firstly,I view Zionism (outside of Israel) as big a threat to the national life and character of my nation as I do Islamism (outside of Islamic countries) or Marxism.  Where there is Marxism, there will be anti-Marxists, where there is Islamism, there will be anti-Islamism, where this is Zionism, there will be anti-Zionism, where there is semitism, there will be anti-semitism, it is the natural order of things,  a question of balance.  I personally do not have any issue with the existence of Israel, the Arabs of course may take another view, however, it’s their problem not mine.  I also find the suggestion by those on the far left and right stating that Israel is the cause of terrorism in the ME or a threat to world peace disingenuous at best, such an assertion simply ignores Islamic imperialism, a willful and dangerous state of affairs. 

    Secondly, it wasn’t Jews running through the Sutherland shire with baseballs bats in December, it was Islam, which poses the most direct threat to my nation, followed closely by rampant asianisation.  Ethnic whites must assert themselves (even as Jews assert themselves, Israel should be looked upon as a model of a nationalism),  as an identity, as part of a European ‘diaspora’ or face extinction under the heel of multi-culturalism and multi-racialism.  Australian history may be only 200 (and a bit) years old, however our European heritage stretches back for centuries, Shakespeare and Erasmus, etc are every bit a part of our heritage as Lawson and Paterson.  It was Europeans that made this country the country it is today and I can see no compelling reason why Australia cannot remain a predominantly white European country, racially and culturally.

    If you have any questions, you can call on 0431 739 260.

    Posted by daza on 2006 09 03 at 08:39 PM • permalink

  60. Response noted. I have no questions, as you have answered as expected.

    Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 09 03 at 08:54 PM • permalink

  61. So,
    Zionist Jew good.
    White Nationalist Bad.

    funny about that.

    Posted by daza on 2006 09 03 at 09:05 PM • permalink

  62. You said that, not I.

    I would say, however, that there is a vast difference between “White Nationalism” and “White Supremacy”.

    Though you may—to use your term—“tap dance” around that subject here in this place, your commentary elsewhere evinces a rather more sinister agenda; the provenance and end purpose of which is justifiably, in my opinion, very suspect indeed.

    We have mutually antagonistic world-views—let’s leave it at that and converse no more.

    Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 09 03 at 09:31 PM • permalink

  63. My final word then: There is nothing supremacist about encouraging an ethnic identity, unless of course you count Zionism as Jewish Supremacism. 

    I note that your removal of your profile is merely a form of imitidation against myself, to impute something about my character that is necessarily true.

    Posted by daza on 2006 09 03 at 09:43 PM • permalink

  64. isn’t necessarily true.

    Posted by daza on 2006 09 03 at 11:42 PM • permalink

  65. Oh great. As I have long suspected, daza is darrinh. I was just waiting for the anti-Jew, pro-White-Nationalism bullshit to come out. Goodbye.

    Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 09 04 at 12:51 AM • permalink

  66. #57 Andrea,
    This isn’t about a simple mercantile transaction, it’s about respect. When they start to show some respect for my country, I’ll start to show some respect in return. being refused service is a powerful statement, more powerful in effect than mere words. I’m sorry we have to disagree on this, as I have a lot of respect for you( also sorry for over-using the word respect).

    Posted by Daniel San on 2006 09 04 at 01:14 AM • permalink

  67. Whew, and here I thought I was going to have to sign off this blog for good and all.

    Boadicea of the Blog, long may your spear of justice—restrained with a patience worthy of A-ta-no-dju-wa-ja herself—accurately sunder the shields of pretenders.

    Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 09 04 at 02:03 AM • permalink

  68. You know, Daniel, we don’t even know the circumstances we are arguing about. For instance, why was she refused service? The article does not say. Was she obnoxious in the store? Or merely wearing different clothes? If the latter, then the “powerful statement” being sent is that the store owner is a bigoted lout. I’m not sure how that will translate into “you’d better show some respect.” I don’t respect bigoted louts.

    On the other hand, if she started going into hysterics because of something stupid, like—oh, I don’t know, she had to walk past a display of bikinis, or something—then the store owner would be justified in tossing her out on her ear.

    A third possibility is that Muslims in your country have a history of being troublesome, annoying shoppers who make trouble in every store they enter. Is this the case? Because there might then be a slight chance that your shopkeepers are justified in turning away anyone in Muslim garb. But if neither of the last two scenarios is actually the case then I must fall back on the bigoted lout theory. Bigots are not helpful to our cause.

    Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 09 04 at 02:05 AM • permalink

  69. Mentalfloss, I was surprised that daza/darrinh was able to restrain himself for so long. Occasionally he hinted, but managed to pull himself back in time. I couldn’t ban him for no reason but my vague suspicions, so I waited for the inevitable coming out. Few are the bigots who can hide their hatred for long.

    Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 09 04 at 02:09 AM • permalink

  70. That’s why you get the big money, Ma’am.

    Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 09 04 at 02:31 AM • permalink

  71. #67 ditto.
    I’ve wandered around the political spectrum, and I think one of the primary reasons I’m starting to consider myself a “conservative” (for want of a label) is that it’s the only mainstream political philosophy that allows for a rejection of mid-twentieth century collectivism and its loathsome theories of racial and historical determinism.
    It really irks me that I get bundled in with idiots like daza, so it’s reassuring to know that his ilk are a barely tolerated exception, rather than the rule, in this forum.

    Oh, and “If you have any other questions, feel free to call me on…”: what the hell was that all about?

    Posted by Wally on 2006 09 04 at 05:02 AM • permalink

  72. #71 Wally,
    He might be looking for recruits, People who feel this site isn’t hard-core enough. I have agreed with some things daza had to say, but there’s no way I’m calling that number!.

    Posted by Daniel San on 2006 09 04 at 06:06 AM • permalink

  73. #72 Yeah, that’s the impression I got.  Creepy.

    Posted by Wally on 2006 09 04 at 06:10 AM • permalink

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