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It’s all action at Camp Cindy:
Meanwhile, Powerline reports:
No one has contributed more to the enshrinement of Cindy Sheehan as an antiwar icon than AP reporter Angela Brown.
Read the whole thing. Angela is busted.
I wish I could remember the site I saw it on, but yesterday I saw someone quoting an AP drone at Camp Cindy saying he was writing *for* the peace-nut propaganda machine.
It was no surprise to find an AP reporter shilling for it this morning.
Posted by Rob Crawford on 2005 08 25 at 01:04 PM • permalinkHere is the “schedule” from the Camp Cindy link-
Schedule:
8:00 Clean up
8:30 Camp Meeting
9:30 Peace Keeper Training
1:00-4:00 Peace Keeper Training and Camp Meeting
4:00 Catered meal at Camp 2
7:00 Music at Camp 2, featuring Steve Earle and James McMurtryErh, clean up lasts only half an hour, then their is a catered meal and a chance to display your “talents”...
Looks like a good way to attract homeless musicians and recently unemployed “reporters” forced to work out of internet cafes…
Joan Baez and Sheila Jackson Lee have already shown up. It’s only a matter of time before they get a really big name like Pee Wee Herman. {Fingers crossed!}
Posted by madawaskan on 2005 08 25 at 01:22 PM • permalinkWhat does the silly fart think she is? Ghandi with tits and hair?
I find myself channelling cartman just looking at it. “Hippies goddam hippies”
Guess you cant show you care without some sort of extra “look at me” prop.Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2005 08 25 at 01:35 PM • permalinkFrom the top link:
200 CROSSES have been placed at “Arlington West” in front of the new tent at Camp #2. They will represent the 2000+ soldiers who will be killed in the war in Iraq.
So, um, noe they’re “memorializing” people who aren’t even dead yet?
Undead casualties, phony Vietnam vets, and reporters distorting the facts. Who knew the Land of Make-Believe was in Texas?
Scythes for democracy in Iraq http://home.att.net/~rhhardin/scythe1.jpg in Camp Hardin (pic: Ohio, Aug 25 2005)
Scythe-rattling would be a cliche if scythes didn’t have huge angular inertia.
Media in bed with anybody who is anti-Bush/Blair/Howard is par for the course.
Our own All-Aussie ABC this morning is running free cheerlead for detainee who says his ankle was broken by guards at one of our detention centres.
Reading not too far between the lines reveals that the inmates were being unacceptable in their behaviour. Throwing food at the wall is not the way to complain about it. Becoming involved in a scuffle is, however, a good way to get your ankle busted. The reporter was assisting the complainant in making his case.
If the ABC charter supports this sort of propaganda by default, I say close down the ABC, NOW, or reform it so it fulfils its proper role when acting as a news service.The two paragraphs are one more example of WR’s unbelievable insulting defamations of people like my husband.
My husband told me, and others, that one of the most disturbing things about returning home, landing in San Francisco, he was met by a three piece brass brand and a group of hippies chanting slogans and calling him a baby killer, then having a young woman spit on him…. I have recounted this to WR in the past.
Despite being given irrefutable proof that WR has consistently mis-represented himself, the Baltimore Chronic persists in printing his drivel. Says a lot about its integrity, or lack of it.
How appropriate, Rumpelstiltskin there is spinning worthless straw into media gold, Jerry, gold!
Posted by Crispytoast on 2005 08 25 at 06:45 PM • permalinkThe spinning lady reports that spinning “relates back to a peaceful movement in India”. Of course, nobody ever used a spinning wheel before that, and certainly not for anything useful… like making clothes.
This whole thing just seems like a cheap vacation for most of those people. You can bet, as soon as the rainy season starts, Camp Cindy is going to be pretty empty pretty quick.
Widow1—Of course Ward doesn’t believe you. He never saw any of that stuff when he was kicking Charlie’s butt in Suttgart during Tet…
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 08 25 at 08:05 PM • permalinkAnd I thought only Private Benjamin was misled by the Army recruiter!
Posted by ozconservative on 2005 08 25 at 08:29 PM • permalinkThis is claasic Northern California hippy posturing, I’m sure someone is pressing wheat grass and selling organic cabbage coleslaw too.
I’m so sick of the Marin County hippy poseurs, look a little closer and they all own $4M dollar homes in Mill Valley. They rage against the capitalist corporate machine and drive top of the line Euro imports. They claim to love and nurture children then hire a $4/hour Salvadorian au pair and don’t bother to pay workers comp or declare IRS employment form 1099. They profess to be environmentalists then trash San Francisco’s Crissy Field on Earth Day, leaving behind tons of refuse. They claim to support the troops then verbally attack injured soldiers on medical buses.
Screw you Cindy.
Why are so many wacko bleeding heart peaceniks called Angela?
Posted by James Waterton on 2005 08 26 at 01:04 AM • permalinkLook, you stupid lefties, it’s supposed to be Spin doctoring, not spinning wheel.
Won’t you ever get this right?
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 08 26 at 04:14 AM • permalinkWhy are you so unhappy about this woman protesting?
She lost her son. He’s dead.
And you guys are making jokes. Ha ha.
If there was conscription, and college boys like you were being sent off to die in a far away land for reasons long proven to be bogus… well you’d all be singing…
“And it’s one, two, three,
what are we fighting four?
Don’t ask me I don’t give a damn,
the next step is Afghanistan (Iraq doesn’t rhyme but you get the general idea).
And it’s five, six, seven,
open up them pearly gates,
Don’t ask me - I don’t know why,
Whoopppeee we’re all gonna die!”Posted by DJ Far Queue on 2005 08 26 at 04:59 AM • permalinkDJ Far Queue, it is Cindy Sheehan who is making the jokes here. She’s turned her son’s death into a world-class freak show. I’ve deployed to Iraq twice already, and am heading back for my third rotation soon. I am somewhat qualified to make the statement that this whole mind-numbing display of stupidity does nothing but serve the insurgency. Their propaganda machines (i.e.: Al Jezeera) are having a field day with this. If she is accomplishing ANYTHING, she is aiding the enemy and contributing to injury and/or death to other mother’s sons.
Simply pulling out of Iraq is the most absurd and ridiculous statement one could utter concerning this fight. That country would either 1) implode into civil war 2) fall victim to another Sadaam type dictator or worst of all 3) rot into another Taliban-style regime. In any of these instances, we’d have to go back and do the whole thing over again at even greater costs. I for one, am praying for tornadoes and/or hurricanes to roll through that region of my beloved home-state and do a little natural house cleaning.We can all relax now that the ditch Madonna has brought together the extreme left and the extreme right in the axis of evil the coalition of swill against the evil George W Bush. If you can’t support any of the protesting groups at Camp Crazy, I mean Casey, then you know you are not the extremist. Roll on the weekend.
Posted by platey mates on 2005 08 26 at 06:07 AM • permalinkDJ Far Queue,
Jokes aside, people can sympathize with her loss. But they can also sympathize with the losses of hundreds of other families who suffered a similar fate.Yet she claims some sort of moral authority over all the others - why? Why is she more special than hundreds of other grieving military mothers who vehemently disagree with her?
I look at Cindy as a severely emotionally damaged person, but the ‘professional protesters’ who are manipulating her are beneath contempt.
Hey DJ Far Queue2, the slapstick music of the song would go down well at Camp Crazy. But don’t forget the rest of the song…‘be the first mom on the block to bring your son home in a box’ The first boxes came out the Kenyan embassy, followed by the USS Cole, then Riyadh, the World Trade Centre, Bali, Istanbul, London. I think we know what we are fighting for. You don’t need broken english to understand freedom.
Posted by platey mates on 2005 08 26 at 06:17 AM • permalinkDJ Far Cue, if you haven’t either changed your email to a legitimate one or gone into your profile to deselect the “enable email notifications” box in your email settings I am banning you. If you can’t contribute anything interesting to the comments the least you can do is read the fucking directions.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2005 08 26 at 06:42 AM • permalinkSo what we have now have lined up against our Western Democratic Capitalist culture is the real axis of evil, the coalition of domestic swill that would destroy us from within and without: the racial supremacist neo Nazi’s, the religious supremacist islamofascists and the intellectual supremacists lefty West haters. Who is the supreme in this unholy trinity of arrogance and intolerance? Don’t they realise that once they destroy the shrinking moderate middle that their own supremacist ideology will demand that they turn on each other? How dumb are these supremacist groups?
Posted by platey mates on 2005 08 26 at 06:56 AM • permalinkAnswer to self #34, dumb enough to attract the support of Margoyle and the people who would protect us from a loss of our democracy. I think it’s pretty obvious now that we need to be protected from Margoyle and their white supremacist, islamosupremacist and left intellectual supremacist fellow travelers. At least the mainstream can still reign supreme at the ballot box. Cindy Sheehan has done the West a favour by flushing out all the supremacist groups into the full glare of public view for all of us to see. Now will the ABC and SBS report accurately on this?
Posted by platey mates on 2005 08 26 at 07:10 AM • permalinkDJ Fart Queue
The thing is, these sort of lefties come over as so pious and pathetic and, like you, unable to come up with anything new even after 37 years or however long it is since that Country Joe pile of shite. Related to this is the fact that you lot (I naturally include Mother Sheehan and the rest of Camp dick) have no sense of humour or wit. Instead, you seem addicted to acting out phoney grief.Re: 31
DJ Far Cue ... If you can’t contribute anything interesting to the comments the least you can do is read the fucking directions.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 08/26 at 06:42 AM • #You got directions for fucking? Well I have to admit I never read them!
I didn’t contribute anything to the debate? Well you’re the admin so I guess you’d know. For goodness sake dun let the readers decide huh ;-)
Nature of mass debate Andrea. Speaking as an expert myself, sometimes people don’t agree with you. No need to use obscenity. Irony, sarcasm, gentle humour much more effective.
Posted by DJ Far Queue on 2005 08 26 at 07:55 AM • permalinkDJ far que is an expert on mass debate. He often mass debates up to 5 or 6 times a day, Far que also posts unde the non de plume of harri palms.
was tha the gentle mocking you were refering to troll??Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2005 08 26 at 08:06 AM • permalinkOkay ppl.
There’s a weird kind of poison running through these threads.
It’s like ‘don’t point out the bleeding obvious because then I’d have to think rationally and maybe change my mind’.
George went to Iraq because 1) oil 2) strengthen US/Israeli ME hegemony 3) a general idea that all Muslims want to destroy the Western way of life (this idea had nothing to do with Iraq BTW but was intended to intimidate any Muslim countries eg Pakistan into co-operation).
Except the stated reason was WMD. Okay we all know WMD was phoney. So where does that leave people who care (and I respect that some voices on here DO really care about what’s going on)?
It leaves us looking hard at the hidden agenda for going into Iraq (1-3 above) and asking ourselves how realistic these goals were in the first place, and given where we are now, how realistic our chances of success are.
Remember the calls for ‘Exit Strategy’?
Anyone know George’s exit strategy?
Iraq is burning in civil war. You can call it ‘insurgency’ like it’s some nasty little bug you caught. But actually it is civil war.
I don’t have solutions. I can see problems, I see people dying every day Americans and Iraquis. And I can see the guy that started the war, sitting in WDC.
We’re gonna need real leadership to avoid AQ recruiting a heap more bomb-carriers… because that consequence is inevitable (ie London) and self-perpetuating.
Anyways… re: Peace Movements… my point is a strong one: if there was conscription then the sad-ass right-wing college boys and whatever posting here would be out on the streets burning the S’n'S quicker than you could say ‘self-preservation instinct’!
Altogether now, ‘And it’s one, two, three, what are we fighting four… ’
Posted by DJ Far Queue on 2005 08 26 at 08:16 AM • permalinkThat would explian what? Bali?
Try this one, Why has their been no secular democracy, with the established rule of law, established in the middle easts arabic populations?
China, for christs sake, is closer to respecting property and individual rights than pretty well every country in the middle east.
Countrys which were under colonial rule longer than most ME countrys have pretty well sorted themselves out throughout asia?
Just refer you to the concept of the “house of war” (ANY non muslim country) and the house of peace.
Any Jihadi nut job has all the due cause for his own private jihad right there.
Post your troll like reply, this will be my last word to a tin foil hat wearer such as yourselfPosted by thefrollickingmole on 2005 08 26 at 08:32 AM • permalinkI don’t have solutions.
This quote might as well be on the Left Coat of arms. They have solutions for nothing, and whinge about everything.
You have succeeded in putting brakes on effective action in all conflicts since WW2. Public opinions like yours are as much use to any war effort as those of a foreign Ministry of Propaganda.
The US should be monstering Syria, Iran and the Saudis - but cannot do it all at once. Ninnies like you sit on the sidelines crying foul while those states do everything possible to ruin the lives of any Arabs who want a peaceful life. Try blaming those who are the real cause of trouble.
If you still dont know them, you probably do not know your arse from your elbow, and have escaped banning just long enough for me to waste some time and space replying to your preachy inanities.DJ FArt Q
You don’t have solutions because you don’t need them do you? I mean, you CARE. You don’t jsut care, you touchy feel care over everyting that you think you’re supposed to. People murdered by Islamofascists are presumable outside this criteria.
I can’t speak for anyone else, but I am not a right wing college boy. I work for a living. Have to. That’s why I’m not a puerile leftie.Beware of DJs who play Country Joe McDonald. They most likely also have ballads about Kent State among their scratchy discs and they’re not afraid to play them!
If we lose this struggle with global Jihad, I suppose the only bright spot will be to watch the shit-eating grins fade from the face of all the lefties as they realize what’s going to become of them.
Eh, who am I kidding? They’ll be right there holding the rusty knives and digging the pits for the bodies. As they always have.
A haiku for DJ Fartcue:
Insult the admin
That is the fastest way to
Get your troll ass bannedPosted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2005 08 26 at 09:17 AM • permalinkThis DJ character epitomizes the type that was dissected by Mark Steyn. Those driving cars bearing stickers such as “Free Tibet” have absolutely no intention of doing ANYTHING about it. They simply espouse these supposedly ‘progressive’ thoughts, and deride anyone who actually proposes any sort of action, much less anyone who disagrees with them. Steyn noted, ” If Donald Rumsfeld were to say to one of these people, gee, freeing Tibet is a great idea. The 3rd Infantry will be sent in next week, they’d be horrified”. DJ was at least, honest. He is bereft of ideas. Presumably,in his case, this is due to his not having grasped the situation, as he has demonstrated. For that reason, perhaps he can excused. However, the ludicrous employment of the specter of a draft, which no one, especially the United States military, wants, indicates that he is merely lashing out. His arguments rely on things that not only do not exist, but are not likely to exist. This odd notion was floated in the midst of a discussion of events, interviews and ideas which currently do exist, and have existed. His arguments are not merely unpersuasive; they are so incongruous so as to be irrelevant.
Assignment for ‘DJ’: In a thoughtful essay, compare and contrast the actions and words of at least two mothers of American servicemen killed in Iraq. Cindy Sheehan can certainly be one, but ensure that at least one should be on record as either supporting the war effort, or at least one who acknowledges that their son was an adult. You might wish to use as a criterion their views on Zionism and Jews, and how that relates, if at all, to the topic.
final note: When citing the existence of a “hidden agenda”, that implies that you have proof of one. Otherwise, it’s not a hidden agenda. It’s at best a wild guess, or at worst, the product of a malicious and/or deranged mind. Stating that you find one reason for action (that you cherry picked) to be unconvincing is hardly adequate.
BTW, am I the only one who thinks that making a chickenhawk argument within your first five posts should be grounds for automatic banning?
Seriously, it’s a staple of every single moonbat post on every single righty blog these days, and I’ve never seen the arguments improve after that dismal start (usually quite the opposite), so it seems to be a good litmus test to distinguish between those lefties who might be capable of mounting a serious argument, and those whose head has already exploded.
I’m a little late in the thread, but why does DJFQ assume that we’re “unhappy” with Cindy’s protest? On the contrary, I couldn’t be more pleased. I think lefty fanatics ought to be encouraged to don their lampshades and drop their pants in as many public forums as possible. It’s the only way that the body politic can really get to know what they’re all about. Plus, there’s now a whirlpool effect, as “serious” Democrats get pulled into the current of fanaticism because - well, they’ve got nothing but Bush hatred to go on.
I agree, PW. Not to mention his comments about oil, the US hegemony, and racism (”...all Muslims want to destroy the Western way of life…”).
Code words that send the red flag into the, “LEFTIE TROLL ALERT! STAND BY FOR VIRTUAL FECES FLINGING!!!”
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 08 26 at 09:55 AM • permalinkBy the way, if my post wasn’t clear, DJ FartingCue has been banned.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2005 08 26 at 09:57 AM • permalinkTexas Bob, thanks and ditto about Blue Hen. 13 times is rockin, too. Think you got it right, those posts sound suspiciously like my favorite imposter.
The never-ending contradictions, breath-taking leaps in circuitous logic, “d” group music fare and tent city replete w/ fuzzy looking carnie types provide a circus-like entertainment. Send in the clowns.
Tsk, tsk, Dave, PW. Confusing the unwashed masses with facts again. Will you never get this straight?
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 08 26 at 11:54 AM • permalinkGotta agree,52, ask a lefty for their solution to Zimbabwe. Now or in 6 months time. Free oxygen for the first respondent!!
Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2005 08 26 at 11:57 AM • permalinkCraig,
#66 Not to worry, Al Sharpton is on the way! No media event is every completely exploited until he, and Geraldo arrive.
That answers my post, #59, which should have read, “Where are the clowns”? and the correct response would have been, “Send in the clowns” and the follow-up, “don’t bother, they’re there”.
Follow up to #67; Send in the Clowns
ps, sometimes it helps to put the #of the post you are replying to, rather it helps me!
Rumor has it that Casey Sheehan didn’t think much of Cindy and refused to call her “Mother.” He grew up with his father, and she and Casey were never close.
By her own account (posted at Powerline) she “told him [she] would run over him with a car, anything to get him not to go to that immoral war.” How sweet. I know that families can be difficult, but that’s beyond the pale. Someone, please, take her car keys away!
No need to use obscenity. Irony, sarcasm, gentle humour much more effective.
I guess that’s why Cindy Sheehan is so influential right now with the Left. It’s her obscenity-free, ironic, gently humourous jibes at President Bush.
Sigh. These are the people who call themselves the “reality-based community”, huh?
“We want our country back and, if we have to impeach everybody from George Bush down to the person who picks up dog shit in Washington, we will impeach all those people.”
“if George Bush believes his rhetoric and his bullshit”
“They’re a bunch of fucking hypocrites!”
Why, you’re right, DJ. When it comes to obscenity-free, ironic, gentle humor, we right-wingers could learn a lesson from Cindy Sheehan. She’s a regular Oscar-fucking-Wilde.
The biggest myth that the American Left has deluded itself into believing is the idea that the United States was ever the way they want it to be (re: Cindy’s “we want our country back”), and that it’s the evil Jesusfreaks and other assorted right-wingers who took it away at some point.
Does anybody know if they’re referring to some particular period in time (e.g. JFK presidency, however ahistorical their belief would still be), or is it just a total delusion based on the whole “if I believe it, it must be true” thing and their sense of entitlement?
It’s a total delusion, PW. I admit to not being omnipotent, but I don’t recall the United States ever being like what Cindy Sheehan is calling for.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 08 27 at 01:01 AM • permalinkWhat a nerve this silly wench has, to be likening herself to Ghandi! The spinning of cotton is associated with Ghandi’s struggle against oppression. It is ironic that US cotton subsidies are a symbol of modern-day oppression, albeit indirectly, of developing countries cotton farmers. Bet you did not think of that when you set out on your ego trip Cindy!
I am fine with opposition to Bush and any of the Republicans, but Cindy, use your brain for a second, do you want us to abandon Iraq in it’s current state?It’s a total delusion, PW. I admit to not being omnipotent, but I don’t recall the United States ever being like what Cindy Sheehan is calling for.
I think your answer means I didn’t phrase the question properly (I had that nagging thought when I typed it). What I meant is, are the moonbat thought processes more like “I wish things were again like they were under JFK/FDR/Clinton”, even though things then weren’t like the moonbat envisions them either, or is it just a generalized “I just know that Bushitler is wrecking the country and we need to get back to…err, something we used to have, whatever and whenever that was”.
I guess this might be generation-dependent too, with aging hippies more in the first camp, while today’s miseducated KosKidz would perhaps form the latter group?
You made the point well, PW. I just opted for a short reply.
But it is a generational thing, in that the mis-educated and/or willfully stupid KosKidz have been listening way too much to the drug induced hallucinations of the aging hippy population, who remain too stoned to identify reality. I suspect that the KosKidz drink far more Koolaid than they consume illegal recreational substances.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 08 27 at 10:40 AM • permalink
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Yeah, I saw the ‘grieving mother’ on tv news last night. I’ve seen smaller smiles on 20lb Halloween Jack-o-Lanterns. I think she’s pretty obviously enjoying her celebrity but also in need of some serious medication.