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TALE OF TWO AUSSIES
Richard Ackland wonders why Australians are less concerned about David Hicks than they are about Schapelle Corby:
Of course, Howard didn’t say of Hicks, as is his expressed sentiment for Corby: “I do feel for him, the whole country feels for him.” Possibly that is because there are no huge ratings and TV shows with worms to be drained out of Hicks’s dreadful plight.
Why might this be? Possibly because Corby is an apparent victim of savage misfortune while Hicks is a Jew-hating bastard who sought opportunity overseas to kill people and train with terrorist scum. Just a theory.
Faramir - because we are the disfunctional dominion.
Because we tolerate, expect and even praise government corruption.
Because the federal government can use the excuse of bolstering “national unity” for every abomination.
Because the majority of the population has been corrupted by socialism, entitlement, victimhood, etc.
Because less than 50% of the economically active population pays taxes.
Because hypocrisy, cynicism and resentment have become entrenched in the Canadian psyche.
Need I go on…??
I look forward to the next referendum in Quebec so that I can do my part in putting the demented dominion out of its misery
Great to find a fellow conservative Canuck here. Yeah, I almost fell over when I saw the stats that showed 15 million in the workforce, and 2 million on social assistance. That’s crazy! What’s more the Liberals/liberals of this country can’t seem to open their mouths without acting like high school jerks when speaking about our ally to the south. Where I live here in Victoria, on a day off, the malls and streets are packed (in the middle of the weel). It’s as though no one actually works in this city. It is astonishing that Canadians actually fall for media traps hook line and sinker and like good little sheep repeat “We don’t want an election”. We must be the only people on earth who don’t actually want elections. We allow ourselves to be brainwashed by a government run media.
I always thought Quebec would regret leaving. It is probably ask the best thing they can do. At least Quebecers have the sense not to be bought by the Bambinos.
The disgraceful trial of Corby by TV may yet prove beneficial to her case. Surely, the resulting funds she is entitled to will be applied to her well being if she is found guilty and sentenced.
Guilty or Not guilty is totally irrelevant and the TV network should have realised this.
There is of course insufficient evidence to prove her culpability beyond a shadow of doubt, and in a western court, she would have to be found not guilty.
But we will soon discover what Indonesian Justice is made of.
If she is convicted to a long sentence, then i would urge all Australians to CANCEL their trips to Bali and Boycott it as a holiday destination. This might help our Government in securing from the Indonesian government, an agreement that she serve her sentence in an Australian open prison.
It comes as no surprise that the SMH is far more concerned for the Human rights of a Jihadist scumbag like Hicks, than those of Miss Corby.The point is that it is the same Australian Justice system that would have to drop charges against Ms Corby (guilty or Not)that would also have to find Hicks or Habib innocent of criminal Charges.
It is the Indonesian justice system that sentenced Bashir to a few months Jail for the killing of 200 westerners and may sentence Corby to like imprisonment on evidence that would be held insufficient in Australia.Bali is considered to almost be an outer suburb of Perth by people in WA, and many holiday there, year in, year out.
Since the Corby case came to notice, an increasing number of people are cancelling holidays to Bali, not out of hatred of the Indonesians, but as a matter of self preservation against corrupt baggage handlers, dodgy Customs men, and fear of an apparent irrational Indonesian justice system.This again puts the boot into the Balinese people who were just recovering from the drying up of tourists after the Sari Club bombing.
There are no winners here.
Nobody gives a rat’s arse about Hicks. He chose his own fate.
Posted by Pedro the Ignorant on 2005 05 21 at 01:09 AM • permalinkIs it really possible to compare Corby and Hicks? Obviously their background and reason for being abroad are vastly different.
Another telling difference is that Corby has been charged and tried in a legal backwater - described as barbaric by some - while Hicks has been detained for years without either charge or trial. Hicks, of course, is held by a modern, moral, civilised nation.
But what if Derryn Hinch is right, and Corby has actually committed a capital crime while in another country? And what if Hicks, like Habib and others, turns out to have committed no crime? Is “trial by blog” the next trick up the Right’s sleeve?
I’d also like to see some of the outrage about Indonesia’s judiciary directed toward those who released the military personnel who raped and pillaged their way through Timur a few years ago. So quickly forgotten. Or just ignored. And you have the nerve to crow about moral bankruptcy on the left.
Sortelli, I have no doubt that you are outraged by the UN. That’s a political hobby-horse here. I am asking why the condemnation of the Indonesian legal sytem does not extend to the show trials of the senior TNI personnel guilty of massive - and proven - crimes against humanity in East Timor. Why be concerned about one Australian and disgregard thousands of Timorese? Surely we can acknowledge that the Timorese have been “victims of savage misfortune”. Why is the outrage so selective?
If the Indonesian system is so corrupt, perhaps we ought to also be concerned about its Indonesian victims. Or perhaps it only matters if the victim is a white middle-class western tourist.
Hicks has not been charged. Why? A lot of people do unsavoury things and hold unsavoury opinons. At a certain point it becoms a crime and they are tried according to the law. Yet the full weight of the US military and legal system has failed to pin a crime on this simpleton from South Australia. Come on, mate, think about it a bit.
nwad claims Hicks has not been charged.
Wrong, your poster boy was charged on 10 Jun 2004 with three charges, in outline:David Matthew HICKS,
aka Abu Muslim al Austraili (sic),
aka Muhammed Dawood.
charged with
1. Conspiracy,
2. Attempted murder by an unpriveliged belligerent
3. Aiding the enemySpecifications for the charges are on a pdf on the US Defense Department website.
Do your homework, that was nearly a year ago, and there have been numerous staements by both his civilian and Marine Corps defence attorneys about these charges.
Not that anyone really cares about him anyway, the grub.
Posted by Pedro the Ignorant on 2005 05 21 at 03:44 AM • permalinkThanks for the correction, Pedro. I withdraw my remark that Hicks has not been charged and apologise for misleading the parliament.
I restate that Hicks has been held without trial.
If the US had proceeded to trial as quickly as the barbaric Indonesians did with Corby then we would already know the legal outcome.
As for “poster boy”, that’s almost funny enough to laugh at. Nice work.
The outrage is there for the criminals of Timor, the criminals of Bali, the criminals of so calle West Irian. We just happen to be focussing on the Corby case at present. Hicks got where he is by his own dick head deeds.
The Indonesian legal system looks poor when it cannot put Bashir away for a long stretch, or any of the Timor militia leaders. I have written before about these things.
So, are we to seek to improve Indonesia progressively and by dialogue, or what? Are the trolls in this thread going to make any constructive comments or are they just going to continue to be pollutants with nothing to offer except very smelly red herrings?
nwab and Wormbott are in here just for sport, and really have nothing worth hearing.nwab, Hicks is an ‘unauthorised combatant’: to wit, he was undeclared, wore no uniform or distinguishing feature, belonged to no government or recognised authority, and did not carry arms openly.
Therefore he is not a recognised combatant.
Therefore he is outside the Laws of Armed Conflict (LOAC).
Therefore, he MUST be treated as a francs tireur, or a species of bandit. On capture, such people are required to be shot out of hand by both international law and by the precedents established in 1870 and continued since.
MarkL
CanberraNot quite right, MarkL
The expression franc-tireur (plural francs-tireurs) dates from the French Revolution. A franc-tireur was a member of a corps of light infantry organized separately from the regular army.
Later on, francs-tireurs were on the side of the angels, so to speak.
In the 1870-71 Franco-Prussian War, French civilians who shot German soldiers in occupied Alsace-Lorraine were called francs-tireurs.
During the First World War the term applied to Belgians who took to sniping in opposition to the neutral country’s occupying German force.
The German high command took to implementing harsh retaliatory punishment tactics. Entire villages were held responsible for German casualties at the hands of Belgian snipers.
Villages were occasionally razed to the ground to discourage such activity. The atrocities were widely reported throughout the world and led to the occupying German forces being labelled ‘Huns’.The German Army’s tactics in discouraging franc-tireurs succeeded only in alienating potential German support in key neutral countries, including the United States.
As for the lovely Schapelle. Imagine her as a forty-year old, beer-gutted, tattooed bloke. How much sympathy then?
Posted by pog-ma-thon on 2005 05 21 at 07:38 AM • permalinkMarkl wrote
Hicks is an ‘unauthorised combatant’: to wit, he was undeclared, wore no uniform or distinguishing feature, belonged to no government or recognised authority, and did not carry arms openlyis that not the universal judicial problem of the Islamic jihadist in western countries?
do they fall under the definiton of Anarchism ? And if so are there legal provisions for prosecution of Anarchists.
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I am very cross with George Bush & the US military for failing to shoot Hicks out of hand at time of capture.
My sympathy is reserved for the widow & child of Sgt. Russell SAS, killed in Afghanistan.
Hicks can rot in cuba forever for all I care.