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Following exposure of leftist historian Manning Clark’s lie about witnessing Kristallnacht’s immediate aftermath, here’s crikey.com.au (no link):
While the controversy sparked by biographer Mark McKenna’s revelation of Clark’s imperfect recollections of the 1938 Kristallnacht will confirm in some the deep sense that Clark was flawed, emotive and capable of manipulating facts to suit a broader agenda, it will confirm for others that the important story is the broad sweep of history in which events deprived of context and consequence tell only a fraction of the full story.
’‘I saw the fruits of evil, of human evil on the streets,’’ Clark said in 1987. His recall was accurate, even if he wasn’t there to see it first hand.
Via Peter W. And a letter to the SMH from Michael Stanbridge:
The date of Manning Clark’s arrival in Germany would have made little or no difference to the influence Kristallnacht would have had upon him.
The horrors of Kristallnacht would have still been apparent and so would the mood of the Germans. The essence of Clark’s work remains and it does nothing to diminish his efforts that a bit of poetic licence may have been used to build a persona that made him more appealing in the eyes of the public.
Leftoids love liars.
The horrors of
KristallnachtSaddam Hussein’s foul deeds would have still been apparent and so would the mood ofthe Germansthe Iraqis. The essence ofClark’sFiske’s work remains and it doesnothinga great deal to diminish his efforts thata bit ofa lot of poetic licence may have been used to build a persona that made himmore appealingless credible in the eyes of the public.It’s all about the posturing and the big talk. The irrational obsessions of manboys and girlygirls whose mental age will be forever thirteen.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2007 03 06 at 10:10 AM • permalinkActually, Clark’s work is full of barely-disguised anti-Semitism and even pro-Nazism. In the second volume of his autobiography, “The Quest for Grace,” he leaves the reader in no doubt that he saw the Nazis in World War II as some sort of ally against the hated British. He praised Hitler as aware of “The High solemneity of the occasion” when listening to the declaration of war, while in his “History” (Vol V). he describes Winston Churchill by contrast as more or less raving mad and “like a man possessed by a wild demon.”
I don’t think magic hats were invented until the 1960’s, MarkD. Unless the Soviets invented them first, and Manning got one for being such a useful idiot, in lieu of a Lenin medal.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 03 06 at 12:26 PM • permalinkYou people have no concept of the Truth.
If you say you witnessed the horrors of Kriststallnacht first hand, even if you weren’t there, you have still spoken an essential Truth.
If you say you were named for a famous mountain climber even though he climbed his mountain two years after you were born, you have still spoken an essential Truth.
If you say you witnessed the burning of black churches as a child, even if no black churches burned when you were a child, you have still spoken an essential Truth.
If you fly to Iraq to surprise the troops for Thanksgiving, and man the chow line to serve them turkey and all the fixin’s, and hold up a display bird for a quick photo-op, then you’re a plastic-turkey-toting lying bastard prick.
It would have saved me so much time while working on my history degree had I known that I could simply make shit up.
Posted by alexthechick on 2007 03 06 at 03:13 PM • permalinkAs soon as you start allowing poetic licence in the discussion of real world events you are nothing more than a bullshit artist.
Posted by Harry Buttle on 2007 03 06 at 03:44 PM • permalink“We the jury feel that we were eyewitnesses to the murder of the man standing over there (A) by this guy over here (B). Even though A is not by objective standards technically ‘dead’ and B wasn’t in the same country at the time of the murder, the essence of the crime remains. Our recall of this event is accurate, even if we weren’t there to see it first hand. Because the DA has used words to build a persona that made him more appealing in the eyes of us, the public. Hang him your Honor, and may Gaia have mercy on his soul.”
Rafe: ”.. he praised the Soviet state’s ability to provide for the material needs of the people. His comment that Lenin stood on a par with Jesus as one of the great men of all time was later often quoted against him.”
On the other hand, he condemned Australian copitalists for failing to provide for the material needs of the people.
It gets worse: Clark thought Lenin was as great as Jesus ‘in his compassion’.
Soviet history by 1960 was full of compassion??Clark’s imperfect recollections… Would those be anything like the convicted Scooter Libby’s “imperfect recollections” of his conversations with various reporters? What a shame some of these people weren’t on his jury.
The greatest lie the left ever got away with was that National Socialism is Right Wing!
Amen to that. Fascism and communism as polar opposites is another one.
Posted by Kyda Sylvester on 2007 03 06 at 06:51 PM • permalinkLet’s face it, the Mannster wouldn’t be much of an Australian academic historian if he wasn’t a revisionista- I’ve even penned a pome in honour of our creators of past fiction:-
Nearly all of Aussies history,
Remains all shrouded in mystery;
When you try to find what’s true,
You’d be better seved sniffing glue.Because you’ll remain in the dark,
If you read work by Manning Clark;
And Henry Reynolds from James Cook U,
Whose polemic tripe would make you spew.It doesn’t matter if they lie,
They still get a slice of pie,
Because it’s important that we fund,
Leftist crap so moribund.In David Marr’s SMH piece that kicked off the current round, he claims that “Brisbane’s The Courier-Mail [condemnation of] the historian as a communist, an agent of influence and perhaps a Soviet spy ... collapsed in derision”.
In view of the stance taken at this point by Clark’s defenders, one might ask: did the Courier Mail story have substance? While the attack apparently missed its mark with claims or insinuations that Clark was a spy, what was revealed in the aftermath as people came forward with recollections was that as a teacher Clark ran a pro-Soviet line, that he visited Moscow on phoney “writers conventions”, wrote praising Lenin (Meeting Soviet Man), and, as I recall, was awarded a significant medal (albeit not an Order of Lenin). (Indeed, I recall that in that in the immediate aftermath, Clark’s wife had conceded that he had got some kind of medal.) The Russians clearly regarded Clark as deserving of a reward – and one naturally asks – what for? The most obvious answer is that despite some criticism, Clark was regarded as a valuable fellow-traveller, but then again one might ‘read’ something more into it.
Clark’s defenders are suggesting that even though he was not in Germany to see the events he claimed to witness, in “substance” he was not painting a false picture. Could one say the same about significant elements of the The Courier-Mail story?
Anyone unfamiliar with what lows the whackerdemics will stoop to in Australian history teaching could do worse than read this article by Keith Windshuttle.
Article.His site The Sydney line is allways worth a look every month or 2.
Hes the man whos probably done the most to expose history fakers here in Oz.Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2007 03 06 at 10:45 PM • permalinkHis recall was accurate, even if he wasn’t there to see it first hand.
Yeah, like the night I gave Cindy Crawford a good rogering…
Posted by Vanguard of the Commentariat on 2007 03 06 at 11:59 PM • permalinkIt’s the truthiness of his nonexistent life experiences that make him such an important voice,,,
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2007 03 07 at 01:04 AM • permalinkI used to have a poetic license one of these women cancelled it.
Posted by David Morgan on 2007 03 07 at 03:42 AM • permalinkuntil one of them cancelled it.
PIMF, PIMF…
Posted by David Morgan on 2007 03 07 at 03:47 AM • permalinkthe sick thing is that Manning Clarke’s tradition did not die with him - it lives on in the risible pap pumped out by the likes of Henry Reynolds and Robert Manne. From claiming to have witnessed Kristallnacht to claims of aboriginal genocide and stolen generations, some trash feel free to make it up as they go ‘cause it plays well to the apparatchiks and turns a nice earner
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Would someone like to quote Clarke on the wonders of the Soviet regime as he experienced it, just to demonstrate his fine grasp of historical detail. And to make him more appealing in the eyes of his admirers and supporters.
From Wik
“On his return [1959] he wrote a series of articles for the liberal news-magazine Nation, which were later published in booklet form as Meeting Soviet Man (Angus and Robertson 1960)....In it he gave ammunition to his enemies by denying that millions of people had died during Stalin’s collectivisation of agriculture. On the other hand he was scathing about the cultural drearyness of the Soviet Union and about the greed and philistinism of the Soviet bureaucracy. Although he criticised Soviet society for the “greyness” of everyday life and the suppression of religion, he praised the Soviet state’s ability to provide for the material needs of the people. His comment that Lenin stood on a par with Jesus as one of the great men of all time was later often quoted against him.”