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Sunil Gavaskar maintains the rage over bad Australians. Tell it walking, Sunny.
Brad Hogg will tonight invoke the spirit of Sir Edmund Hillary in a bid to clear himself of a racial vilification charge.
Hogg will insist at his 8pm hearing at the Perth Hyatt that he meant no malice when he described Indian skipper Anil Kumble and Mahendra Singh Dhoni as “bastards” during a tumultuous final day of the second Test at the SCG.
He is believed to have said to the two Indian batsmen: “I can’t wait to run through you bastards” ...
Hogg will argue that he meant no malice, in the same way that Hillary famously quipped after coming down from the summit of Mt Everest: “We knocked the bastard off.”
Hogg’s defence team is apparently considering using Hillary’s line as an example of the word “bastard” being used in a non-racial sense.
Case should be over in minutes. Should.
UPDATE II. Charges against Hogg dropped by India.
I preferred the stone throwing business, when it was carried out by those without sin.
Gavaskar was just pissed off because he wasn’t tall enough to get on any of the rides at Luna Park the day before.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2008 01 14 at 12:30 AM • permalinkOT - this
thisis unbelievable. Check out all the videos.
Posted by carpefraise on 2008 01 14 at 12:30 AM • permalinkYour link is busted, carpefrase (#5).
Like Gavaskar’s credibility.
Posted by Pedro the Ignorant on 2008 01 14 at 12:37 AM • permalinkAh yes it’s whitey’s fault. Lucky the umpire at the heart of the fracas was a ‘black man’, no chance to use the racist stick with which to beat others over the head, on that one eh.
Mark my words, to all of those spitting chips at Ponting, imagine Ponting saying that ‘brown men’ discriminated against a white team. The SMH would have apoplexy.
So why is it ok for Gavaskar to get away with it?
Sorry, this gets my goat ( a bit like a Punjabi love story). Imagine this:
THE Captain of the Australian cricket team, Ricky Ponting, has launched an extraordinary attack on his council’s own match referee, Mike Procter, suggesting he took the “brown man’s word against that of the white man” in banning Bradley Hogg for three Tests.
Imagine the outcry, just imagine it.
Two points about that YouTube video. The other batsman in the incident, the one being dragged off the field by Gavaskar, was the current manager of the Indian tour - Chetan Chauhan. And if the film had ran a little longer you see the then Indian manager doing what Chetan Chauhan should have done over the last week - he runs to the race and tell Chauhan to get back out in the middle and get on with the game.
That Gavaskar has played the race card - especially in the face of what happened in India only a few months ago - is sad and absurd. His name should be taken off the Border Gavaskar trophy.
Barry Cohen’s view - as sensible as a flat soled shoe.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2008 01 14 at 12:54 AM • permalinkICC = joke. Like the UN they have no credibility whatsoever.
Another symptom of this new Age of Unreason. The media let such nonsense slip by with out much comment.
I do not understand why we can’t just tell the ICC : “Thanks, it’s been great but, we’ll be off now.” And organise our own international competition with countries that don’t want to change the rules, or umpire, everytime they are caught cheating.
What’s would be wrong with an international competition comprising Poms, Windies, NZ and anybody else who thinks rules matter, particularly the one outlawing chucking.
Then we could just exclude NZ. For no reason other than it would be fun watching their heads explode with indignation.
Posted by Dean McAskil on 2008 01 14 at 01:11 AM • permalink#10 Barry Cohen: The authorities should tell the players to tone it down. Those who think it has always been the practice might care to watch film of Bradman’s Invincibles. Can anyone imagine Keith Miller, Bill Brown, Ray Lindwall or the great man himself carrying on like that?
The Big Difference? Ponting, and any one of the Indians, are on salaries that would eclipse the career earnings of all those named combined
Point 2: ‘Toning it down’, to be fair, would have to be policed in all the relevant Test languages, making independent umpires impossible, or linguistic geniuses.
This explains why it’s not done much.#14 “In a survey last week, over 90 percent of Indians
wanted the tour cancelled and the team to return to India.Based on this survey at current population levels, if it can be assumed that each of these upset Indians where to have gone through 3 boxes of Kleenex sooking and crying about their teams plight it would mean that 610,127,723,160 tissues will have been used.
Posted by Hank Reardon on 2008 01 14 at 02:38 AM • permalinkIn fact we give credibility to the ICC by agreeing to carry on with the tour. Credibility they do not deserve.
Posted by Dean McAskil on 2008 01 14 at 02:51 AM • permalinkRe: Update
Harbhajan Singh’s defence team are currently looking through Diane Fossey & David Attenborough quotes.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2008 01 14 at 02:57 AM • permalinkSince when has questioning that marital status of a person’s parents been racial?
On a similar topic - Australian sportsmen complaining that they were abused or sledged is a little rich. Don’t you guys remember certain Aussies going “Choo choo” to Chris Cairns when he came out to bat a short time after his sister was killed in a train crash. As Chopper says “harden the fuck up”.
Posted by brian_smaller on 2008 01 14 at 03:17 AM • permalink#21 - No issue with sledging, only racial abuse. Get with the program, you sheep molesting, flightless bird fancier.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2008 01 14 at 03:28 AM • permalinkBastards?
Whatever happened to sticks and stones?Sportsmen now set an example to youth that they should be thin skinned, hypersensitive and be unable to rise above the simplest of insults. And what’s worse - incapable of dealing with such everyday matters with immediate referral to authority.
Think of the children and harden the f*** up.Pardon the off topic but Iowahawk seems to be branching out into new (well, thankfully the same) cool stuff.
Posted by dean martin on 2008 01 14 at 03:53 AM • permalinkOh #13, how beautifully naive you are. I bet your mummy still tucks you in at night. You must have heard about the wonderful line from Bill Woodfull when Jardine came to the Aussie rooms complaining he’d been insulted by one of the Aussie players. Turning to his players, Woodfull said: “Okay then, which one of you bastards called this bastard a bastard?”
Then, on the darker side, there was the incident in India when the Australian team’s ship, on the way to England for an Ashes tour, stopped at an Indian port. Thousand of Indians turned up at the dock, hoping to catch a glimpse of the legendary Don. The got nix. The prick refused to come out and even give them a wave.
So if you’re looking for an era of angels in cricket, you’re going to be very disappointed. There have been many saints throughout the history of the game, but from the reprehensible WG onwards, the sinners always been in the majority. Live with it.
Something else to keep in mind. 50 years ago, calling someone a mongrel was about as serious as calling someone a c##t today. If the stump microphones and the zoom lens cameras were there for the first Test match in 1877, I reckon you’d find as much sledging as you’d find today. The language would be milder in our terms, but not in theirs.
Also, there’d be a fair amount of class warfare going on as well. Remember how the ‘professionals’ - the poor buggers from the lower classes - had to enter via a different gate from the ‘amateurs’ - the born rich bastards who inevitably made all the money from the tours?
Telling me the behavior is worse today is like all those whackers who insist the players were better at cricket back then. That’s equally rose-coloured stuff. The Invincibles wouldn’t have lasted three days against any Australian team of the last decade.
#29 - BB77: Barrie was quoting from Barry Cohen’s article. They’re not Barrie’s words.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2008 01 14 at 04:50 AM • permalinkCall me a cowboy, but the funny things in the story are :
Who used racist comments - Indians
Who whined about the umpires - Indians
Who complained about the “spirit” of the match - Indians
Who is threatening to take their bat and ball and go home - IndiansFinally,
Who lost the match - INDIANS
Friggin cry babies!
Posted by curious george on 2008 01 14 at 05:11 AM • permalinkAnd I mean cry babies in a non-racial way. Just incase any friggin cry babies get offended!
Posted by curious george on 2008 01 14 at 05:14 AM • permalink#32 - sorry, my mistake.
But even if I was slagging off at the wrong Barrie/Barry, my point still holds.
The Invincibles would have had their share of bastards - and plenty of people over the years have been happy to put their captain at the top of the list.
(At least Ponting is only a prick to his opponents.)
Bugger. Now what are we going to with all this indignation?
Posted by Jefferson Skates on 2008 01 14 at 06:36 AM • permalinkThanks for that newsflash, Nic. (#40)
I had the evening all planned out for painting the ‘I’ll give you ‘monkey’, you ape” signs and filling the Molotov cocktails ready for the start of the Test on Wednesday.
Now I can change the plan to making fairy bread and toffee apples for those nice Indian chappies.
Posted by Pedro the Ignorant on 2008 01 14 at 06:39 AM • permalinkI’d hate to be that poor bastard.
I’ve never been one for team sports. In primary school I defended my little brother from kids who were picking on him. I called them bastards for picking on a much younger kid (he was about 5 or 6). One of the bastards dobbed me in to the netball teacher (the reason we were there after school), who promptly reprimanded me. I figured that I didn’t want to be on a team with a coach/teacher who didn’t bother to find out the facts, so I walked. She never bothered to find out why I’d called the kids bastards (and I never said rude words then, aged about 10 or 11, my mother would have been so disappointed in me).
Aw, c’mon guys… what about the girls?
Motor racing has babes hanging around the pits, the carparks and the race-team trailers… dolls on the cover of glossy mags and honeys dripping off the paintwork and chrome.
Surfing has whole beaches, decked with bikini girls with nothing much else to do but tan and watch the boys. Yacht racing involves long hours of crashing seas, hypothermia, fatigue and the whisper of the sirens’ call from out across the waves.
But cricket ???
Like soccer, it’s all about wives, mate.
#29, 30 I can only hope that BB77 is not an Australian cricket fan, if he feels it necessary to resort to ad hom crudity, speculation and myths to make an argument. Note:
The alleged Woodfull “bastard” quote appears to have been invented for a TV miniseries about Bodyline in the 1980s. Read up on Woodfull (a very straitlaced Methodist); it is inconceivable that he would have said such a thing. It is sometimes attributed to other players, even Bradman, but this only raises further doubts.
The Bradman in India incident refers to a brief stopover in Bombay during the 1948 tour. Bradman had picked up a nasty stomach bug in Ceylon, where he had played, and had good reason not to want to plunge into that crowd. However, he did, in fact, go on deck and wave to the crowd. (There had also been rumours of an epidemic in Bombay, and very few of the Australians left the ship.)
#45 kae.
You definately dodged a bullet there not letting your mum know what you said. I would have been too afraid to use a word like that back in early primary school as a certain teacher had a big reputation for metering out heavy punishment with a ruler for such behaviour. :-)Posted by Hank Reardon on 2008 01 14 at 07:20 AM • permalinkHank, she knew what I said. I told her. I told her because she wanted to know something about why I didn’t play or want to play sport, or my brother said he was being picked on and I chased them away. She knew. One of the few times that I got into trouble at school and didn’t get into trouble from her as well! (I never, ever went home and said I got into trouble at school, because I’d be in worse trouble at home from her! She might be little, but she was a hard smacker!)
Am I missing a peculiarity of Australian English here? When did bastard acquire racial connotations?
Posted by rightwingprof on 2008 01 14 at 07:46 AM • permalink#55 & 56
Now stop poking fun at Julia Gillard.Posted by Hank Reardon on 2008 01 14 at 08:11 AM • permalink#45 kae.
I’ve never been one for team sports.
Team sports coverage is big industry. On any night, television news divides its time fairly equally between miscellaneous happenings around the world and sport. Sport focused on the many different ways to change the trajectory of a ball.
But there’s very little sports coverage involving cars, horses, yachts, airplanes, surfboards, kayaks, snow skis, climbing ropes, fishing lures or parachutes, just to name some.
It’s all about ball sports.
I love this, I really do and I give full marks to the Australian and Indian teams and the cricketing media PR managers. A team gets flogged in the first test, beaten in the second, Australia wins the series but we still have intense interest in two dead matches.
I’ve watched test cricket since the late 50’s when my father and I used to catch the Broken Hill (steam) train at sparrows fart to go on the long journey to Adelaide. Returned late at night - a 16 hour day for a 10 year old. And we did it every day a test was on (not often in those days). Saw Frank Tyson, Trueman, Lindwall, Lord Ted, Harvey, O’Neill. Even saw the famous test on Feb 1st 1961 when with 9 wickets down Slasher Mackay and Lindsey Kline batted out the last session against the likes of Wes Hall and Charlie Griffiths. And guess what Dean McAskil and the woeful John A, all of those teams slagged each other off because we could hear it from the boundary. Crowds were usually much quieter in those days of course. Trueman slagged off players from other counties in UK matches, do you really believe he didn’t do it in tests? Well he did, and we loved it. And guess what again guys, there was no handshaking between all members of both teams on-field afterwards.
So gnash your teeth and crack your knuckles about our current disgraceful team, the second most successful in history since WG Grace put on his wicker box. I couldn’t give two squirts of guinea pigs piss about your cringing PC opinions and hope we give these whining Indians a monumental flogging in the next two tests.
But perhaps they’ll take their bat and ball and fuck off home - no loss, they should probably be encouraged
Posted by Whale Spinor on 2008 01 14 at 08:17 AM • permalinkSplice. That episode turned me right off team sports. Especially the coach/teacher not standing up for me, or bothering to find out why I’d said something so awful.
I love snow skiing, moguls, aerials, etc. Show jumping, motor racing, rally, diving, gymnastics (men and women), all things which usually are won with the skill of one person.
Now, I have to go to bed! Before I get totally mixed up and get lost on the way to work!
(
goes to bed,sneaks off to bed, glad that the red glow of her face is hidden from all view by heavy curtains)How do you know when a batsman for India is out?... When he’s at the crease.
Whats the difference between a legless man and a batsman for India?...There is a higher probality that the legless man will walk.
Whats the difference between an Indian curry and an Indian batsman?...the curry will give you runs.What did the spectator miss when he went to the toilet?
The entire Indian innings.Where do Indian batsmen perform their best?
In Advertisements.When would Anil Kumble have 100 runs against his name?
When he is bowling.What is the most proficient form of footwork displayed by Indian batsmen?
The walk back to the pavilion.What is the Indian version of a hat-trick?
3 runs in 3 ballsWhat is the height of optimism ?
Dravid coming out to bat applying sunscreen on his face.Phone Call for Dravid:
Indian Team Manager : “Hello”(over Phone)
Wife :“Can I talk to Raul, this is his wife.”
Indian Team Manager:“Sorry, he is just going to bat”
Wife:“No Problem, I will hold on”Divorce Court Scene:
The Judge (J.) asks the little girl (LG):
Now that your parents are getting divorced do you want to live with your mummy?
LG - No, my mummy beats me.
J. - Well then, I guess you want to live with your daddy.
LG - No, my daddy beats me too.
J. - Well then, who do you want to live with?
LG - I want to live with the Indian Cricket team, they never beat anybody !!!Why do Indian babies cry and complain all the time?
They are practicing how to become Indian cricketers when they grow up.What is the difference between an Indian batsman and an Australian one?
100 runs.What is the difference between batteries and Indian cricketers?
Batteries have a positive side.How do you force Indian cricketers to run between wickets?
You place ad offers on either end.Mahindra was at school this morning and the teacher asked all the children what their father did for a living.All the typical answers came up - fireman, policeman, doctor, salesman, etc. but Mahindra was being uncharacteristically quiet.So the teacher asked him about his father. “My father” he said, “is an exotic dancer is a gay club and takes off all his clothes in front of other men. Sometimes if the offer is really good he’ll go out with them, rent a cheap room and let them sleep with him.”
The teacher quickly set the other children some work and took little Mahi aside and asked, “Is this really true, Mahindra?”
“No,” he replied, “my father plays for the Indian cricket team, but I am too embarrassed to talk about it.”#40 India tonight withdrew a complaint against Australian spinner Brad Hogg.
What, no equivalent withdrawal by the Aussies? [they couldn’t retract Harbie’s conviction, could they?]
I guess the ICC told them their charge had zero chance, and they better stop holding the game to ransom or be banned. I HOPE they did.#48. Thanks for the correction. The Woodfull story has been folklore for years and I read it again only a few days ago in an English paper. I apologise for spreading unfounded rumours. Ditto on the Bradman thing, if your facts are correct.
But…
Yes, yes, there’s always a but.
But… I still believe the angels in cricket history are heavily outnumbered by the sinners. The current Australians didn’t invent sledging, but their success has lead to inferior teams looking for easy excuses. “Sure, we lost by an innnings and plenty, but it wasn’t our fault - they called us names.”
And if what the sinners are doing is truly considered a sin, it is surely up to the umpires and administrators to crack down on it.
Shouldn’t be any harder than cracking down on chuckers…
PS: And as for Bradman, I stand by my assertion that, as a captain, he was a lot less popular with his own team than the current holder of that position.
And I mean cry babies in a non-racial way. Just incase any friggin cry babies get offended!
As a person of cry, I find your statements insensitive.
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2008 01 15 at 11:57 AM • permalink
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