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“Is it just me,” asks Rolling Stone’s Tim Dickinson, “or are some in the progressive blogosphere hyping the possibility of a full-scale civil war in Iraq just a little too eagerly?”
“Is it just me, or are some in the progressive blogosphere hyping the possibility of a full-scale civil war in Iraq just a little too eagerly?”
No lie. And not just Iraq. Why, them peace-lovin’ progressive lefties is jest itchin’ to open a whole can o’whup-ass on them port-jackin’ UAE camel jockeys, show ‘em who’s boss, by billy jingo…
There are few sights in this world more surreal than watching a MoveOnBot quoting William F. Buckley, Bill O’Reilly and Michael Savage. Hell, we’re about one step away from having Mother Sheehan read from the works of Ann Coulter.
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 02 25 at 12:19 PM • permalinkThe “progressives” say we can’t let them Ay-rabs do business in our ports, no matter how cooperative they’ve been or how thoroughly they been checked out, because they’re Ay-rabs.
But look cross-eyed at a young Middle Eastern male muttering on an airplane, and you’re “profiling”, a word that has somehow become bad.
I don’t get it.
Yupp,#4 Rubb, President W. sure does look bad?? The US GWB’s economy is running at high speed, better than that of Clinton’s or any other Demo Pres. before sippery Bill, unemployment way, way down, he has manged to rescue the population of two countries from savage and bloody dictatorships and made the USA safer in the process, he has gotten two of his choices for the Suprem Court, he has the Democrats supporting the Patriot act, and if you’d let that flea brain of yours consider the facts, you’d find a lot more successes on his side. And what have your lefty friends left to laugh at? Katrina? If you knew anything about Louisiana and the chocolate city of Mayor Nagin, you’d know that local and state incompetence was the source of what went wrong. Cheney accident? I know you’re there praying that Whittington would die, along with your prayers for a bloodbath in Iraq. Ah, but it’s not to be.
So this is the great job that President Bush has done to make himself look bad? Hope he keeps it up.What does the sale of P&O have to do with terrorism…i dont know what a company from the UAE has to do with national security…and the american dems are barking up the wrong tree…but if bush was blocking the sale then you right wing fucks would be all about it, im sure in the backs of your minds you just wish you could disagree with the bushie on this one…haha…
You hadn’t been banned because I was sleeping the sleep of the just and free. Well, I’m awake now, and that little task has been taken care of.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 02 25 at 01:30 PM • permalink#14, I guess you don’t know the significance of “Rubb” as you are clearly not a Cajun. But please be offended, it’s on the house.
Ah, You clearly display the sign of a delusional leftoid in a panic. When confronted by unassailable facts, resort to cursing. In #12, you resorted to one cuss word, in #14 to 2 (but only one new one, which shows lack of facility with the language). I expect the number will go up, since you have nothing else to offer.12
rubbrobb…. god why havent i been banned from this fucking site yet….16 Andrea….You hadn’t been banned because I was sleeping the sleep of the just and free. Well, I’m awake now, and that little task has been taken care of.
Couple of things,
rubb...One; One must be careful what one asks for. Two; Ask and ye shall receive.Oh one other thing
rubbgame, set, match...Andrea.I’m always impressed by people (and I use that term loosely) who can’t spell, capitalize, or use correct punctuation when having nothing of any import to say. Especially when they deliberately wake up the webmistress in order to get banned. Sheer genius.
or are some in the progressive blogosphere hyping the possibility of a full-scale civil war in Iraq just a little too eagerly?
Gah! Ya think?
I’m so tired this morning at first I thought we were discussing elderly rock musicians and was going to comment that, see, contrary to what many believe, decades of drug abuse doesn’t (necessarily) make you stupid. Nevermind.
LOL, Richard.
Yeah, Robb, that was pretty funny even to one of us right wing fucks. Is there a point? Oh, I see you’ve been banned. Nevermind again.
Posted by Kyda Sylvester on 2006 02 25 at 01:59 PM • permalinkThe purpose of barely literate Yahoos like Robb is to make us think somewhat better of lefty mandarins like Miranda Divide, I guess. But I don’t. Whether stupidity is conveyed via the primitive, monosyllabic grunts of Cro-Magnon Robb, or via the correct grammar and syntax of the Divide (a classic example of someone being educated beyond his/her intelligence), it’s still stupidity - or worse.
“Is it just me, or are some in the progressive blogosphere hyping the possibility of a full-scale civil war in Iraq just a little too eagerly?”
The
idiot leftard“progressive” blogosphere has been lusting for a civil war in Iraq since March 2003. Or possibly May 2003. But for a long, long, long time.Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 02 25 at 03:03 PM • permalink“or are some in the progressive blogosphere hyping the possibility of a full-scale civil war in Iraq just a little too eagerly?”
Pissing their pants or panties with glee, is more the term.
On the other hand, or in diametrically opposed thinking, the Dubai DP World deal, the same progressive(s), has become Protector of the Free World Super Hero.
But did anyone know of these;
the same Dubai company bought CSX’s American port business in 2005, and nobody seemed to care then. NRO
OR
The United Arab Emirates became the first Middle Eastern country to join CSI when the declaration of principles was signed in Dubai on December 12, 2004. A CBP deployment team will work closely with the UAE government personnel to target high-risk cargo containers destined for the United States. Dubai Customs Administration officials are responsible for screening any container identified jointly with CBP officers as a potential terrorist risk.
but if bush was blocking the sale then you right wing fucks would be all about it, im sure in the backs of your minds you just wish you could disagree with the bushie on this one…haha…
Sorry, robbie, but my list of disagreements with Bush is at least as long as my agreements. I could give you an essay on spending and immigration, for instance. Fact is, most of the right-wing commentariat is against Bush on this. I happen not to be. But hey, we’re all lock-step sheeple, right?
god why havent i been banned from this fucking site yet….
I’m sorry you were. I can see how desperate for it you were. I know it gives you some lame sense of righteous dissent-silencedosity. I wouldn’t have obliged you. I would have kept you around as an embarassing zoo-exhibit of lefty asshattery.
What does the sale of P&O have to do with terrorism…i dont know what a company from the UAE has to do with national security…and the american dems are barking up the wrong tree…but if bush was blocking the sale then you right wing fucks would be all about it
So let me see how that jelly in your cranium works:
1) You agree with Bush that it’s not a problem.
2) You think the Dems are wrong for their opposition.
3) You think we’re “fucks” if we agree with you.
Logical.
The favourite words in the leftie lexicon are “I TOLD YOU SO”. That is why they love to talk up the possibility of a civil war in Iraq. No matter how many people may die, lefties will always sit on their collective hands and let someone else do the dirty work, while they sneer with glee if things go pear shaped. They are just noisy spectators in the hard game of life.
#21 Hey Paco, don’t diss my homies the Cro-Magnons. Compare their art with what our knuckle-dragging “artists” of today produce and you’ll see the clear superiority of the Magdalenian over the Progressive.
#26 Howzat,
“I told you so” may be the lefties’ favorite phrase but they get to use it so rarely I’d be surprised if they could remember how to put the words in the right order. On virtually any issue the phrase can justly come from the conservatives, sensu American, but from the left could justly come only “What went wrong” and “But I didn’t realize…”.Posted by Michael Lonie on 2006 02 25 at 05:28 PM • permalinkIt’s not just civil war. How about US combat deaths.
How many remember the following; this is the X death since President Bush declared an end to major combat operations in Iraq. I didn’t put it in quotes but it’s close. You might also remember that there were rumors of pools in the newsrooms about the date for the 1000’th death. You might also remember that that quote disappeared right after the election in 2004. What a surprise!
There is also a rumor going around that most of these people just can’t wait for US combat deaths to equal or exceed the 9/11 numbers.
My, isn’t Robb a potty-mouthed little thing!
Posted by Oafish and Infantile on 2006 02 25 at 06:26 PM • permalinkActually ... the leftwing was all happy with 9/11. They asserted quite vocally and vociferously that the terrorists committed it due to legitimate root causes. But when you read their list of root causes, it seemed more a list of grievances at a fringe leftie
conventionsmall meeting with more empty chairs than attendants.I can even remember some asserting that the Islamists were upset because of Bush’s refusal to adopt the Kyoto Protocols
of Zion.Posted by wronwright on 2006 02 25 at 07:38 PM • permalinkNo price, in other people’s blood, is too great to pay, to make George W. Bush look bad.
Latino, if I can fit that on a picket sign, I’m stealing it.
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 02 25 at 07:46 PM • permalinkI don’t agree with everything Bush does, but I think he has done the right thing after 9-11-01. I have never heard a cogent thought about how the civilized world was supposed to react from leftard wads like robb. They are completely ignorant of history. The phrase “peace in our time” must sound pretty good to them.
Strange though how for all this excitement we don’t see thousands of brave lefties rusing to Iraq to join the struggle. Where is the equivalent of the Abraham Lincoln Brigade? Where are the Kossite Mamelukes, or even Hogan’s Jannissaries?
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 02 25 at 09:51 PM • permalinkI don’t think it’s that the useful idiots of the West are pro al-qaida so much as they just don’t think our civilisation is worth fighting for. Neutrality in the face of a theofascist threat. Or maybe its just that they can indulge themselves in a smug pose of moral superiority - after all, they don’t favor killing even terrorists - while knowing that there are people willing to kill and to die in defense of their right to be idiotarians.
Join the Peace Corps? What have you got against starving natives?
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 02 25 at 11:03 PM • permalinkSo the War in Iraq is about fighting for our civilisation? Catching OBL would probably have been a good first step.
Tell me, what would success in Iraq look like if we are to save our civilisation? You think they might have planned a little better if this is what it is all about.
I say we just build the permanent bases and get the hell out. Try again in Iran and hope for a better result next time.
Dickinson’s logic is faulty, another example of what Brent Howard calls the “crude slander of the left”. Suggesting that warning of a civil war - something denied by the right for a long time - is akin to wanting one is about as silly as saying that those who thought Saddam had illegal weapons to use on his own people wanted him to have them.
Er, bongoman,
I say we just build the permanent bases and get the hell out.
Why on earth would we build “permanent bases” if we were supposed to then “get the hell out”? Building permanent bases means staying.
DBO: the issue isn’t the left supposedly “warning” of civil war in Iraq and being ignored by supposedly blinded righties (none of whom have ever, as far as I can recall, “denied” any such thing), it’s the way the left is drooling with near glee at current events.
I’m sick of you on the left. Your lot has never really cared about the oppressed victims of the world. After all, without oppressed victims, what stick would you have to beat everyone else up with? You’re also all talk and no action. You sing a lot of songs about the sufferings of mankind and scream about “saving the world” but when it comes to actually doing it you’re good for nothing but getting in the way with your white gloves and mingy little checklists. Oh dear, we didn’t follow your timetable. Oh dear, we’ve gotten Iraq all dusty. Oh dear, why don’t you shut the fuck up, go back to your playrooms, and let the grownups do their jobs?
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 02 26 at 01:51 AM • permalinkAndrea, I am currently in Cambodia doing what little I can for the poor. I can assure you that it is not a playroom. And it is very dusty.
Your abuse only shows the insecurity of your own position. I’d suggest it is you who has difficulty dealing with reality from the comfort of your keyboard. Your own playroom.
Andrea, my point about the permanent bases was that when the US decides to give up on nation building in Iraq, it won’t be before the permanent bases that are currently under construction have been completed. Simple really.
After all, we’ve come all this way. The fact that the ungrateful Iraqis can’t pull their purple fingers out shouldn’t stop us from gaining a presence in Iraq. Permanent bases could be very handy for when the House of Saud comes crashing down.
We lefties are happy about the prospect of civil war in Iraq because it will bring back the happy days of kurd gassings and stop them from building those visually offensive MacMansions.
Perhaps only we public interlectuals can truly understand this.
Posted by Margos Maid on 2006 02 26 at 05:39 AM • permalink#51 DBO is back speaking down to us from his “holier than thou”, tipped to the left, delusional cloud to let us know that he’s out there suffering for humanity in Cambodia. Listen a bit, twit. I worked for the World Health Organization in every hell-hole in the world. Some of them make Cambodia look like the Riviera. I know you’re kind, the leftie mindless, traveling the world on “grants”, making things worse. And then showing themselves off, claiming special status to tell the rest of the world how to live, still making things worse for everyone around them.
Moreover, DBO, I don’t believe you were ever near Cambodia.. Nobody who has been to Cambodia would describe it as “dusty”.
(BTW, who made a once prosperous Cambodia poor? Hint: The Leftoid Left “Rouge”-and “rouge” means what?)Take a look at DBO’s itinerary. I rather suspect that his version of “doing what little I (he) can for the poor” is that of the good capitalist’s - being there, having a good time, spending money and thus providing an improved livelihood for locals. Perfectly reasonable, though not really something to get up on one’s high horse over. Tourism is good for countries like Cambodia - well done, DBO. But Mother Theresa you ain’t.
Posted by James Waterton on 2006 02 26 at 10:35 AM • permalinkDBO, none of your comments have been “disappeared.” You emailed me complaining about not seeing your comments and admitted that you were at a net cafe. I am not responsible—believe it or not—for the quality of connections at the net cafes of the world.
And it’s very nice of you to be travelling to poor countries to give them your tourist dollars. I wish I had the money to so much as travel to another state in my own country. But I’m not a lefty student on a grant, my parents are dead so I can’t cadge any money off them either, and since I support myself with a full time job little things like rent and food keep me from gallivanting about the world collecting anecdotes with which to brag to the bourgeois back home.
Bongoman, your explanation makes even less sense than your previous statement. I suggest you don’t know what the fuck you are talking about.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 02 26 at 10:54 AM • permalinkI agree with Andrea (which is fairly easy since she’s holding The Sword of Righteous Vengeance, in a fairly menacing manner). For the left, it’s a matter of form over substance. We must say the right things. We must act as a group, multilaterally. So what if nothing good or constructive happens. At least we can feel good about trying to do good, to be nice. I call this the Jimmy Carter School of Inaction.
The right on the other hand couldn’t give a fat rat’s ass whether we are proceeding in a nice manner. For us it’s substance over form, it’s the results that counts. I call this the George Bush Bomb Then Till They’re Dead School of Action.
The right tends to look at geopolitical and socioeconomic issues like businesses do: with a focus on what will happen, what can happen, what might happen one, three, five, ten, twenty, and fifty years in the future. The left looks at what we doing now, and whether we’re doing it in a politically correct manner. So what if things don’t turn out the way one would like. They tried what they could and they feel they should be given accolades and awards for doing so.
To the right, we say fuck the accolades and awards. To us we can only about the results: the safety, security, and well being of all the peoples of the world.
Posted by wronwright on 2006 02 26 at 02:49 PM • permalinkTo the right, we say fuck the accolades and awards.
We do?
Hell with THAT! I ain’t giving back this Order of the Plastic Turkey, no how!Posted by Stoop Davy Dave on 2006 02 26 at 03:49 PM • permalinkAndrea
I have just returned from my Internet cafe sabotage mission to Cambodia and have carried out my mission.
Is Master well pleased?
Posted by Margos Maid on 2006 02 26 at 04:28 PM • permalinkLatino — See? You’ve accepted lefty spin without even realize it. The President they really remember is LBJ…
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 02 26 at 04:31 PM • permalinkI say we just build the permanent bases and get the hell out. Try again in Iran and hope for a better result next time.
[snip]
Andrea, my point about the permanent bases was that when the US decides to give up on nation building in Iraq, it won’t be before the permanent bases that are currently under construction have been completed. Simple really.
After all, we’ve come all this way. The fact that the ungrateful Iraqis can’t pull their purple fingers out shouldn’t stop us from gaining a presence in Iraq. Permanent bases could be very handy for when the House of Saud comes crashing down.
Let this be a lesson to all:
Never Blog When Stoned™.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 02 26 at 04:55 PM • permalinkLiberals care about good intentions. Conservatives care about results.
80 million dead because of Communism? Well, it was a noble experiment.
Growing worldwide freedom and prosperity because of capitalism? People saved from starvation by GM food? AIDS survivability exponentially higher in an unprecedented timeframe because of profit-driven big pharmaceutical corporations? Quel horreur! Abominations!
#50 - DBO, much as I hate to burst your paranoid ego bubble, you’re not the only one whose posts occassionally disappear. I don’t know why it happens, but it’s a safe bet it’s not my ideology that’s to blame. Try doing what I do—c/p and resubmit if necessary—instead of making whiny little insinuations.
#62 Andrea, I have just returned from my Internet cafe sabotage mission to Cambodia and have carried out my mission. Is Master well pleased?
What? MM, you can’t just take up a mission on your own in some sick pathetic attempt to elicit some praise from Karl. Oh, that’s sad. These missions have to be submitted. They’re considered and thorougly vetted. If they have half a chance of succeeding, and none of the other henchman or minions steal it in an equally pathetic attempt to get Karl’s notice (Stoop Davy Dave’s goat attack on Mugabe was actually submitted by paco as a sheep attack on the Iranian Prime Minister, Ali Babacrazymuslimtowelheada).
And correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t believe you even a Minion Poop Class. You can’t just force your way into our
cultbenevelent organization. Oh no no no.Posted by wronwright on 2006 02 26 at 08:11 PM • permalinkWron
I stand corrected, upbraided and ashamed.
I think you will agree my activites were so pathetic as not to require mentioning to the Benevolent One…
Posted by Margos Maid on 2006 02 26 at 09:03 PM • permalinkAndrea, I didn’t complain, I asked a question. And I am not a student on a grant. And I am not “cadging”, whatever the fuck that is. Nor am I gallivanting. I am volunteering. And believe it or not, although I seem to spend less time here than many, I actually work full time. Sometimes I wonder how many commenters here have jobs given the amount of time they spend commenting. And I am on annual leave. We still have that in Australia. So fuck your bullshit personal attacks.
Acchillea, thanks for the advice. It never happened at home, so I was concerned that I had been booted. That, and this funny keyboard was giving me the shits. I am sorry if I appeared intemperate.
Volunteering for what, DBO? A holiday? Oh, well done.
You’re wondering if commenters here have jobs? Can only speak for myself. On a similar topic, it surprises me how much time you have to comment here. Aren’t you
holidayingvolunteering in Cambodia? Shouldn’t you be out saving the world or something - I mean, with a “few days in each location, with the flexibility to move on or linger longer wherever I choose”, you should have plenty of time.Posted by James Waterton on 2006 02 27 at 12:13 AM • permalinkOk DBO, if you’re done throwing your hissy fit ...
MM, yes, it was a pathetic attempt. But so were paco’s attention seeking antics. Add to that Stoop Davy Dave’s, Rebecca’s, Michael Lonie’s—oh the list goes on and on. And then there was the time I lit up the letters B U S H in red, white, and blue lights on the Eiffel Tower and—oh, I suppose we needn’t go over that.
Just keep trying. Once the rightwing leaders take a notice of you, you will be abducted and duly processed into the organization.
Posted by wronwright on 2006 02 27 at 12:21 AM • permalinkOh, another disappearing comment. How fucking convenient.
Is that your idea of asking a question? If you’re going to try to rewrite history, common sense suggests that you not do in that same thread you’ve posted the alleged statement in.
James Waterton — I’ve figured out what DBO’s “volunteering” as! He’s roaming this wartorn world as a freelance human shield, stopping in one third world city after another, and if Bush doesn’t bomb it while he’s there, he moves on, confident of a job well done…
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 02 27 at 01:00 AM • permalinkAnd believe it or not, although I seem to spend less time here than many, I actually work full time.
I believe it, DBO. ‘Cuz I actually work full time myself. But that doesn’t mean 24/7; I have evenings and weekends off, in addition to annual leave. I trust that you do as well.
Oh, and here is “cadging” defined.
Go forth and be enlightened, Oh Mighty DBO.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 02 27 at 03:02 AM • permalinkHow strange. DBO’s IP address—203.49.232.252—is the same as a couple of trolls I banned some time back: “rightwingfuck,” who dropped a bunch of racist commentary here I believe, and “brotherhoodbin,” who I believe was one of the “our JIHAD will destroy u!” freaks I banned recently. And that IP address belongs to Telstra, which is based in Australia:
inetnum: 203.48.0.0 - 203.51.255.255
netname: TELSTRAINTERNET3-AU
descr: Telstra Internet
descr: Locked Bag 5744
descr: Canberra
descr: ACT 2601So, um, do tell us all about your volunteer work among the downtrodden people of Cambodia.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 02 27 at 03:09 AM • permalinkSuch an interest in me. How flattering.
Waterton, I haven’t spent all that long here, as you will see from the nadful of comments on two or three threads. You’ll see if you look. But you’re right in that it was a waste of time. Won’t happen again. My first position fell through, second is teed up in a week from now. Teaching is also an option. It is harder to arrange than I had hoped, especially while on the road. In the interim, and before I save the world, I am strutting about haughtily, kicking beggars, and making crude generalisations about the country and its people. How any of this refutes my original comment is beyond me. Diversionary slander.
Andrea, I created this user name at a friend’s place in Sydney. I have nothing to do with the “our JIHAD will destroy u!” person(s). Never heard of them before, actually.
Richard, the question I asked was in the email that Andrea mentioned when she claimed that I complained. I didn’t. My frustrated comment came later when the dosh-darn connection kept fucking up. Wouldn’t happen with Telstra.
Andrea, I created this user name at a friend’s place in Sydney.
Umm, dodo, which computer a username was created on has absolutely no bearing on the IP addresses that your current posts are coming from.
The IP that Andrea mentioned seems to be tracing toward Melbourne, btw, interestingly enough. Maybe that’s Melbourne, Cambodia.
DBO - Your original comment was of no interest to me. I never purported to engage you over it, and your whining about this is the only diversionary tactic I can plainly determine. I took umbrage with you getting up on your high horse about your “volunteering” on what is obviously a backpacking holiday. I mean, I hope you have a great time and all, but it’s your (usual) sanctimony that I can’t abide. Seems to me that you’re wandering around, seeing the sights, and maybe dropping in here and there to lend a hand for a few hours at a place you think is worthy. Fine, although you’re stretching it by painting yourself as a volunteer first and foremost. You might be amazed to know, but I have a little bit of experience in this volunteering caper. If you’re applying for a position they like you to stay for more than just a few days, otherwise they wouldn’t go to the trouble of interviewing you. With interview comes training - obviously, an interview is a vetting process that they wouldn’t bother with if you were a short termer. As for teaching English - um, isn’t that usually a paid position?
Look, enjoy the trip - just quit the holier-than-thou ‘volunteer’ crap. It’s a risible fraud.
Posted by James Waterton on 2006 02 27 at 10:20 AM • permalinkPW: to be fair, I actually used the IP address that shows up in his user data, not the one he is currently posting from. However, I don’t see why I should believe that he is currently where he claims to be, rather than still in the location he originally signed up from. The fact that his profile has the same exact IP address as those two trolls is highly suspicious to me.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 02 27 at 11:03 AM • permalinkMy mistake, then…thank you for clarifying that, Andrea. Still, he claims he signed up from Sydney and the IP actually points to Melbourne…well, I don’t know what to make of that.
Interesting, too, that a friend of his might be somebody who engages in posting viciously racist diatribes, even if just as a “parody” of right-wingers.
Maybe the entirety of the Australian lefty blogosphere only consists of eight people who just cycle through 28 identities apiece. /shrug
Don’t let these fact-checking cynics get you down, DBO.
I believe in you. Please save an extra orphan for me
And DB - be careful, remember what happened to Gary Glitter.
Posted by Margos Maid on 2006 02 27 at 04:35 PM • permalinkJames, the other day I felt compelled to do my bit for those less well-off than us, in particular those suffering in the Middle East; suffering that we can in large part claim culpability for. I dug deep, and personally contributed to their betterment by giving physical assistance in the distribution and sale of their precious resources as well as handing over a significant amount of cash. As a safe, comfortable Westerner, it was the least I could do. I hope you can understand in your chilly capitalist heart that this makes me a better person. Furthermore, I intend to make this contribution a frequent event. And despite my wife’s protestations, I wouldn’t dream of reducing these contributions by switching to a more economical four-cylinder.
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Itll never happen…Iraq is free now thanks to the Americans. Democratic and free, voting of their own free will. The country isnt overrun by different warring malitias…people arent sitting back waiting to be told who to vote for by their local mullah or anything…its safer than my own backyard…im convinced. Its all just hype, like global warming, never going to happen. Phew…