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YEEEEE-HAAAAA!

We’re all gonna die, according to a global headline consensus:

• The Australian: It’s almost certain: humans caused planet to heat up

• Canada’s Lompoc Record: Global Warming Man-Made, Will Continue

• Fox News: U.N. Report: Global Warming Man-Made, Basically Unstoppable

• The Sydney Morning HeraldWorld wakes to climate calamity

• The Boston Globe: Man-made climate change will continue

• The Guardian: World’s sea levels rising at accelerating rate

• Bloomberg: Bush Administration Says Human Climate Role No Longer Debatable

• The San Francisco Chronicle: Warming ‘Likely’ Man-Made, Unstoppable

• The UK Daily Telegraph: Man ‘responsible for global warming’

• icEaling: Climate change debate ‘now over’

•  Reuters: Mankind to blame for global warming say scientists

• The Melbourne Age: The science is clear: people cause climate change

Oddly, despite the UN’s overwhelming evidence of human-caused warmening, not a single media company has announced an immediate closure. Don’t they believe the UN? Two more headlines:

• Wisconsin’s Journal Times: Global warming is man made

And the next item from the same paper:

Extreme cold weather this weekend

UPDATE. To the list of things caused by global warming, add ... hedgehog baldness!

(Via Stuart G.)

UPDATE II. Tim “Buick refrigerator” Flannery pushes the numbers:

The respected scientist said the UN’s prediction of a three degree Celsius temperature rise was conservative and in fact could be double that figure resulting in “truly catastrophic” conditions for all life on earth.

Posted by Tim B. on 02/02/2007 at 12:20 PM
  1. In Ohio, a man died after being attacked by a cow, the other day.  I blame cold hands.

    Posted by rhhardin on 2007 02 02 at 12:25 PM • permalink

  2. Our neighbour’s ferret drowned today. I blame rising sea levels.

    Posted by mareeS on 2007 02 02 at 12:36 PM • permalink

  3. The ferret did fall off the back of the boat, BUT… rising sea levels will do it every time.

    Posted by mareeS on 2007 02 02 at 12:43 PM • permalink

  4. Iceland- the new Riviera?

    Posted by Mystery Meat on 2007 02 02 at 12:45 PM • permalink

  5. Greenland…the new green land. Again?

    Posted by mareeS on 2007 02 02 at 12:51 PM • permalink

  6. Oh the inanity.

    Posted by moptop on 2007 02 02 at 12:51 PM • permalink

  7. Junk science and politically-driven hysteria rule.

    I still want to know what humans did to cause gorebal warmening 1,000 years ago. And 2,000 years ago, for that matter.

    Posted by Spiny Norman on 2007 02 02 at 01:03 PM • permalink

  8. I’ll believe that they (the Goebbels Wormering folks) believe it when travel by private jet is totally abandoned or banned.  I understand that the widely favored Gulfstream III pours out 10,000 pounds of CO2 per hour in flight.  Helluva footprint, if you ask me.

    Posted by JorgXMcKie on 2007 02 02 at 01:29 PM • permalink

  9. The zombietruppen of the Goremacht continue their ditzkrieg! Facts, logic; nothing can stop them!

    Posted by paco on 2007 02 02 at 01:33 PM • permalink

  10. The High Priests will brook no disagreement.  The debate is over. Global warming is unstoppable. The good news is, obviously, that those statements mean there’s no point spending even one more thin dime on this scam.

    Thank you, frenzied “climatologists” and socialist bed-wetters, for your tireless service to inanity.

    Posted by Crispytoast on 2007 02 02 at 01:40 PM • permalink

  11. Also, I’ll take all Flannery’s stocks and bonds off him for ten cents on the dollar, if he’s so sure about the coming climate catastrophe.

    Posted by Crispytoast on 2007 02 02 at 01:46 PM • permalink

  12. Please, Lompoc’s in California. Nothin’ to do with us.

    Posted by Jim Whyte on 2007 02 02 at 01:48 PM • permalink

  13. Man, are those dudes that thought up the GEICO commercials, gonna’ get their asses kicked, when the Neanderthals re-emerge, from the ashen rubble.

    Yeah smart asses…“so easy a caveman can do it”, huh? You’ll see.

    Posted by El Cid on 2007 02 02 at 01:59 PM • permalink

  14. I actually saw the hedgehog report on the BBC. Delivered as straignt news. Global Warming did it, case closed. A vet said so.

    Posted by moptop on 2007 02 02 at 02:18 PM • permalink

  15. “The zombietruppen of the Goremacht continue their ditzkrieg!”

    Ditzkrieg.  I about died laughing at that one.

    Posted by Dave Surls on 2007 02 02 at 02:22 PM • permalink

  16. #15: Herr Surls:

    Vhen Oberwarmenfuehrer Gore takes over, you vill laugh vhen you are ordered to laugh. Uttervise, you vill maintain ze grim visage of ze fanatischegrün. Dat iss klar, nicht wahr?

    Posted by paco on 2007 02 02 at 02:37 PM • permalink

  17. JunkScience.com calls it a circus atmosphere, and here’s what they had to say:

    First, the UN isn’t releasing its full report this week – just the curiously edited “Summary for Policy Makers.” The detailed report on the science won’t be issued until May or so because it’s not finished.

    If you’re wondering how the UN can issue a summary of a report that’s not even finished, fear not. The UN has announced that changes to the full report shall be made “to ensure consistency with the Summary for Policy Makers.” The UN process – akin to shooting first and asking questions later –is the exact opposite of the traditional scientific method.


    Bolding mine.

    Posted by RebeccaH on 2007 02 02 at 03:15 PM • permalink

  18. #9, Paco, I wish you’d stop that!  I almost ruined another keyboard.

    Posted by RebeccaH on 2007 02 02 at 03:16 PM • permalink

  19. #18: Vass you ordered to laugh, Frau Rebecca? Vass you ordered to schpü over der keyboard? Denn, bleeuz to resume ze grim visage.

    Posted by paco on 2007 02 02 at 03:36 PM • permalink

  20. #19, Jawohl, mein Gigglefuehrer!  Ze grim visage rezumishcen ist, alzo ze skeptizischenen!

    Posted by RebeccaH on 2007 02 02 at 03:55 PM • permalink

  21. And so it begins…again.

    Mmm, looks like three Hail Mary’s are going to save us this time. I’m afraid it’s whips and self-flagellation if we want to avert planetary disaster by 2100, folks.

    Got anything in that line, paco? From the above, I’m guessing you might.

    Posted by Dminor on 2007 02 02 at 04:06 PM • permalink

  22. The world’s leading climate scientists said global warming has begun, is “very likely” caused by man, and will be unstoppable for centuries ...The scientists — using their strongest language yet on the issue — said now that the world has begun to warm, hotter temperatures and rises in sea level “would continue for centuries,” no matter how much humans control their pollution.

    OK, I’m willing to compromise with the Goremeiners - I’ll accept the report’s findings that global warming is real and man-made, if they’ll accept the report’s findings that there’s nothing we can do about it.

    Agreed?

    Good. Now STFU.

    Posted by Dave S. on 2007 02 02 at 04:09 PM • permalink

  23. Paco, you panic!

    It’s widely believed that the disastrously cold winter of 1775-76 led to the French Revolution—The Reign of Terror.

    And I bet Washington’s troops at Valley Forge would have preferred some warmening so that their feet would not have bled into the snow.

    Posted by ushie on 2007 02 02 at 04:10 PM • permalink

  24. I couldn’t bring myself to read all of them, but you could feel the desperation dripping from the Seth Borenstein article.

    “It’s all true! The debate’s over! There’s consensus! Why, there were even skeptics on the panel!”

    The screechier they get, the less I listen. I’m just resigning myself to living in an insane world where I can’t even trust scientists anymore. Good thing I gave up debating Creationists long ago, because I sure as hell would feel embarrassed talking about truth-seeking, skeptical, unbiased science now.

    Posted by Dave S. on 2007 02 02 at 04:15 PM • permalink

  25. Regarding #21. are=aren’t.

    Does PIMF stand for Preview Is My Friend or Please Ignore My Fuck-up?

    Posted by Dminor on 2007 02 02 at 04:24 PM • permalink

  26. Oh, yeah, Henry VIII and Jane Seymour (one of the ones he didn’t divorce or behead) rode across the frozen Thames.

    With the court.

    They rode across the frozen Thames with the court.

    Well, it’s obvious, isn’t it?  James I never rode across the frozen Thames!

    Gorebal Varmining!

    Posted by ushie on 2007 02 02 at 04:24 PM • permalink

  27. OK, I’m willing to compromise with the Goremeiners - I’ll accept the report’s findings that global warming is real and man-made, if they’ll accept the report’s findings that there’s nothing we can do about it.

    Yup, I’ll sign up to that as well, Dave. Think we’ll get them to agree? (Yeah, right.)

    I just so happen to be engaged in a climate-change thread on a different forum right now…the dumbest lefty among the hysterical warmers has managed to accuse me of “falling for spin” and in the next breath admit that he listens to biased sources “because he agrees with their message” but that that’s okay because they would never engage in propaganda. Or “propoganda” as he spelled it, confirming my rule of thumb I posted here a few days ago.

    Posted by PW on 2007 02 02 at 04:28 PM • permalink

  28. And dammit folks, quit the pseudo-German talk, I can’t stop laughing here.

    Posted by PW on 2007 02 02 at 04:29 PM • permalink

  29. Dave S.
    I used to love debating creationists too. At least you knew when you beat them. They would thump their Bible. I used to say is was the blog arguing equivalent of the cold war sport of forcing an enemy diesel submarine to come up for air within sight of your guns. That’s when the fight was over, even when both sides knew you never intended to shoot.

    The uberwarmenmeshugenem just slink away, impervious to argumentation and bereft of factual evidence. I have yet to meet one who could argue on the evidence without committing an embarrassing stretch of same.

    Posted by moptop on 2007 02 02 at 04:36 PM • permalink

  30. Ushie, you have a link on that. Not that I don’t believe you, I just like the point, but hate getting caught out in an argument with an unsubstantiated ‘fact’.

    Posted by moptop on 2007 02 02 at 04:38 PM • permalink

  31. Climate Deniers Series in the National Post

    Lots of good stuff.

    Posted by moptop on 2007 02 02 at 04:48 PM • permalink

  32. See?  See?  I was right in organizing the Perpetual Accident-Catastrophe Organization. With all the “we’re all gonna die” scenarios these freaks come up with, we’ll be rolling in dough in no time! 

    Elizabeth
    Imperial Keeper

    Posted by Elizabeth Imperial Keeper on 2007 02 02 at 04:50 PM • permalink

  33. #30, link to which one?

    Posted by ushie on 2007 02 02 at 04:57 PM • permalink

  34. #28: Dang, PW! I was forgetting that we had somebody here who iss vluent in ze languitch.

    Al Gore is just real gone, man. I saw him on a news show last night. I think it was a speech he gave a while back (a few years after the Supreme Court finally wrestled him to the ground and tattooed the word “Loser” on his forehead). He was doing that curious bellowing whine of his, accusing Bush and Co. of “disgracing us before the whole world”. And he was gesticulating in that hurky-jerky way that suggests a beached whale. Very weird.

    Posted by paco on 2007 02 02 at 04:58 PM • permalink

  35. Watch your wallets, my friends.  I feel the cold, clammy, grubbing hands of pick-pockets reaching out even now.

    Paco, I’m humbly beg your pardon for spraying my Pepsi all over my monitor, and pray you will not bring the whip to bear on my back.  I promise I will not engage in any unauthorized laughter in the future.

    At least until I read your next comment.

    Posted by saltydog on 2007 02 02 at 05:02 PM • permalink

  36. #30, moptop, it’s actually books:  Henry VII and His Court, by Alison Weir (an actual historian!), and Queen of Fashion, by Carline Weber (an actual professor!)

    Valley Forge is just one of those things that’s known by anyone in the US, or at least used to be, before our founders sucked and killed all the Indians and such.

    Posted by ushie on 2007 02 02 at 05:07 PM • permalink

  37. #31 Moptop
    Great link.

    Posted by arrowhead ripper on 2007 02 02 at 05:10 PM • permalink

  38. I once read a sci-fi story in which a canal built through Nicaragua with atomic demolitions caused the Gulf Stream to stop flowing.  The immediate result was Europe and Scandanavia becoming too cold for human habitation.  The resolution was that all the affected peoples moved into all that “empty space” in North America.

    The writer didn’t seem to understand that all that empty space is there because - 1. It’s also uninhabitable, or 2. It’s being used to grow food for a large perscent of the world’s population.

    The lefty sentiment of taking from the rich to give to the poor was carried out literally.

    It was the catalyst that started me thinking from the “Donald Duck talks funny” level to “But why doesn’t he wear pants?” and above.

    I wish some of these “the sky-is-falling” folks could read it too.

    Posted by Winger on 2007 02 02 at 05:13 PM • permalink

  39. Well, if we’re all gonna die anyway I might as well get off the public transportation and get in the GT.

    Posted by SoberHT on 2007 02 02 at 05:20 PM • permalink

  40. Ushie, thanks, I was referring to the “Henry the VIIth” annecdote. I am next door to a library, so I will check it out. I know that it has to get pretty damned cold for a good while, by London standards certainly, to freeze a body of water like the Thames. I see cars driving on the St Laurence, but I can’t imagine London that cold.

    The hurricane expert who stood up to UN junk science

    The above story comes from the National Post, which seems to have become readable again BTW, and reads like a chapter from “State of Fear”

    Posted by moptop on 2007 02 02 at 05:23 PM • permalink

  41. Henry the VIIth? I guess I ended up somewhere between “we few, we happy few” and “Off with her head!”

    PIMF

    Posted by moptop on 2007 02 02 at 05:25 PM • permalink

  42. I got the Hogan’s Heroes 3rd Season CD for Christmas and I’ve been watching it all week.  Based on that I can confirm that paco’s German is authentic.

    Interesting how watching it as an adult gives me a different insight.  I actually like Major Hochstetter.  “What is that man doing here?  WHAT IS THAT MAN DOING HEEEEEEEERE ! ”

    Posted by wronwright on 2007 02 02 at 05:26 PM • permalink

  43. From the National Post series Moptop /31 linked to:

    <<“Almost all reading and coverage of the IPCC is restricted to the highly publicized Summaries for Policymakers which are written by representatives from governments, NGOs and business; the full reports, written by participating scientists, are largely ignored,” [lindzen] told the United States Senate committee on environment and public works in 2001. These unscientific summaries, often written to further political or business agendas, then become the basis of public understanding.>>> [i.e. shrieking headlines]

    Which sheds light on the comment RebeccaH quotes:

    <<If you’re wondering how the UN can issue a summary of a report that’s not even finished, fear not. The UN has announced that changes to the full report shall be made “to ensure consistency with the Summary for Policy Makers.” The UN process – akin to shooting first and asking questions later –is the exact opposite of the traditional scientific method.>>

    Posted by arrowhead ripper on 2007 02 02 at 05:29 PM • permalink

  44. Yeesh wronwright, now I have to go buy that DVD.

    Posted by moptop on 2007 02 02 at 05:35 PM • permalink

  45. Yeesh, moptop, I actually typed Henry VII when I meant Henry VIII.

    At least I didn’t type Edward V, whom Richard III had smothered in the tower.  I blame Bush for that.

    Posted by ushie on 2007 02 02 at 05:45 PM • permalink

  46. Well, Prescott Bush, anyway.

    Posted by moptop on 2007 02 02 at 05:51 PM • permalink

  47. A somewhat persuasive case for a coming cooling period

    This guy says that cooling periods like the little ice age were always preceded by 50 year cylcles of intense solar activity, such as we are seeing now. He said that in a few years we may be blessing every megaton of CO2 in that atmospher and feeding our cows beans.

    I’ll stop boring you with National Post links, since this isn’t my blog, but treat yourself to the series if you are interested in the actual science of the climate at all.

    Posted by moptop on 2007 02 02 at 06:11 PM • permalink

  48. #21: Got anything in that line, paco? From the above, I’m guessing you might.

    How right you are, Dminor! Paco Nautical Engineering’s German subsidiary, Lebenlargeunterwasser, is working around the clock to develop huge submarines: underwater communities, against the advent of rising seas which will deprive tens of millions of people currently living withing 100 miles of our shorelines of their existing homes. The P-Boats should commence their first production run around June of this year. I only hope there’s still time!

    Posted by paco on 2007 02 02 at 06:42 PM • permalink

  49. It’s going to be Kevin Costner’s world, and we will just live in it.

    Posted by moptop on 2007 02 02 at 06:45 PM • permalink

  50. I might live long enough to appreciate the irony of the coming - Emit More CO2 for Gaia’s Sake - campaign as people realize global cooling is a real catastrophe.

    Posted by phil_b on 2007 02 02 at 07:04 PM • permalink

  51. You’ve all got it wrong - coming down on those old Fascists. 
    What the World needs now is Islamic Fascism!

    New Model, but fashionably retro!
    Guaranteed to reverse economic growth fast in any country!
    Proven record centuries long!
    Halves the workforce by eliminating women!
    Idealises Medieval Consumer Levels [except for owners of harems]
    Will USE nuclear weapons to flatten over-developed countries.
    Scientific illiteracy won’t matter any more..

    The Answer is obvious:
    Promote World Jihad Soon, and Save the Planet.
    Come to think of it, isn’t that what the Left already wants?

    Posted by Barrie on 2007 02 02 at 07:25 PM • permalink

  52. One of the most worrying aspects of this is that influential people like Flannery are now criticising the IPCC for being too conservative in their projections. The debate has reached a new level, and is really spinning out of control.

    Sometimes nations and cultures are gripped by religious hysteria. I think we are starting to see that now.

    Posted by zscore on 2007 02 02 at 07:34 PM • permalink

  53. It’s going to be Kevin Costner’s world, and we will just live in it.

    A world of lousy movies? Oh Death, where is thy sting?

    Posted by ErnieG on 2007 02 02 at 08:00 PM • permalink

  54. Tim mate, you’re the Australian of the year and a climate god. Give us a sign of the impending apocalypse - cull your children, stop travelling by jet, switch off your electricity. We need you lead by example, not by mere words.

    Expect I’ll be pushing up daisies before Tim changes his own lifestyle to match his rhetoric.

    Posted by Contrail on 2007 02 02 at 08:01 PM • permalink

  55. Won’t it add CO2 to the atmosphere when the Global Warming zealots start burning heretics?  Cardinal Fang call your office.

    Presumably anthropogenic CO2 emissions are warming Mars also.  I blame Bush for not signing the Treaty of Olympus Mons, although Clinton never submitted it to the Senate because the Senate voted 95-0 to not approve any treaty that exempted the Martians from emission controls.

    Posted by Michael Lonie on 2007 02 02 at 08:03 PM • permalink

  56. Just wanted to thank moptop for pointing out that National Post series…I’m not nearly done reading it, but so far it’s been highly informative.

    Posted by PW on 2007 02 02 at 08:33 PM • permalink

  57. Time: Climate Change: Case Closed

    It should be no surprise that arguments and questions still remain — good luck getting 2,500 scientists to agree on what to order for dinner, let alone come to a single conclusion on massively complicated climate science. But it would be a mistake, as skeptics have done, to point to the remaining disputes as evidence that a broad consensus still hasn’t been reached on the science behind climate change. The new IPCC assessment is that consensus; as United Nations Environment Programme head Achim Steiner pointed out, “attention now shifts from whether human activity is linked to climate, to what on earth we are going to do about it.” (bold mine)

    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was Gaia…the cult now has it’s bible. I can’t decide, though, is Agore the Messiah or is he Moses?

    Some of the “skeptics” have a few complaints about those “remaining disputes”:

    He told Cybercast News Service the rules for the fourth assessment report specifically require changes to be made to the body that will bring it into line with the summary statement.

    “If you were doing that with a business report, the federal trade commission would be down your throat,” [Richard Lindzen, professor of atmospheric science at MIT] said.

    “These people are openly declaring that they are going to commit scientific misconduct that will be paid for by the United Nations,” Harvard University physicist Lubos Motl wrote on his website last week.

    “If they find an error in the summary, they won’t fix it,” Motl said. “Instead, they will ‘adjust’ the technical report so that it looks consistent.”

    CNSNews

    Hmmm, MIT atmospheric scientist and Harvard physicist. I’m not sure these gentlemen are qualified to comment.

    Posted by Kyda Sylvester on 2007 02 02 at 08:55 PM • permalink

  58. #28, PW, please forgive my fun at the expense of Germans everywhere.  For the record, I spent 3.5 years in Munich in the late 70s and had the time of my life.  Of course, there is no need to worry, because the föhn will expand off the Alps, no doubt, and wipe out all life in Bavaria, as well as cause all electronics to cease functioning.  I’ve seen the signs.

    Posted by RebeccaH on 2007 02 02 at 08:56 PM • permalink

  59. It’s going to be Kevin Costner’s world, and we will just live in it.

    The dead will be the lucky ones.

    Posted by Dave S. on 2007 02 02 at 08:57 PM • permalink

  60. How you gonna avoid this at the Terror? Get your mate Imre to rustle up something fruity. He’s always good for a couple of hundred words of drivel.

    Posted by Miranda Divide on 2007 02 02 at 08:58 PM • permalink

  61. Prepare for 90 numbing days

    The cold air hovering over Winnipeg is predicted to push temperatures below normal for up to 90 days, said a national Environment Canada meteorologist.

    David Phillips said yesterday’s low of -34 C, paired with a harsh wind chill falling to -39 C, is an omen.


    Wonder if its -34 where Gore lives.

    source

    How can it be below normal the way that hockey stick goes up.

    for 90 days!!!

    I’d like to use that hockey stick on Al Gore.

    Posted by hollingshead on 2007 02 02 at 09:14 PM • permalink

  62. As if Tim Flummery’s Australian Of The Year gong wasn’t bad enough, now there are moves afoot for Al Gore to be nominated for the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize.
    This is not a joke peoples.

    Speaking of Al Bore, I’ll bet he’s having a BIG drink today with more GW shit coming out that supports his threadbare case. Just look for him to keep rolling along as the Energizer Bunny of global warming, beating his drum incessantly, powered by a carbon-neutral battery.

    Posted by Bonmot on 2007 02 02 at 09:17 PM • permalink

  63. To our US friends, happy hedgehog Groundhog Day. May the baldening continue….

    Posted by Bonmot on 2007 02 02 at 09:23 PM • permalink

  64. #42. Reminds me of watching COMBAT as a kid.  A German soldier would say “Fritz, cummen ze here!”  My dad would say “he told the guy with the potato masher to come here”.  We’d go: Cool! Dad speaks German!

    Posted by Vanguard of the Commentariat on 2007 02 02 at 09:27 PM • permalink

  65. Tipping point reached. If this hysteria don’t work, nothing will.

    Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 02 02 at 09:57 PM • permalink

  66. Al Gored is just upset that he didn’t get his four years of blow jobs in the oval office.  As a result, he now wants to create a thousand year reich, or perhaps that should be a thousand summer reich, based on the premise that men in leather shorts have more kinky sex with buxom blonde frauleins.

    When someone asks about drowned ferrets, I will just have to reply:

    “I know nuffink!”

    Only one problem:

    AlGore, has only got one ball
    The other, is hanging on the wall
    His mother, the dirty bugger
    Cut it off in line with a UN resolution stating that “people are the problem” and all global warming true believers must sacrifice one testicle to Baal, the God of global warming, and also to reduce their propensity to breed.  UN resolution 2178 was only passed after AlGore made a movie called “An inconvenient cut”, and shamelessly promoted it around the planet.

    Thinking back to the nickname thread of a few days ago, this would not be too much of a problem for a bloke that I knew that was known as “three balls” (for obvious reasons).

    Posted by mr creosote on 2007 02 02 at 10:13 PM • permalink

  67. Tipping points: that’s usually about 10% of the bill, no? Not sure what the going rate for bellhops is. Always be discreet and pretend it’s no big deal. Anything else?

    Posted by Dminor on 2007 02 02 at 10:13 PM • permalink

  68. Never mind ‘Enery. The last Frost Fair on the frozen surface of the Thames at London was held in 1814.

    Posted by triticale on 2007 02 02 at 10:24 PM • permalink

  69. Guys, why don’t you believe the science? What possible evidence could you have that would refute the vast vast majority of world’s scientists?  All your garbage about what the weather was like in the middle ages or whenever is just the equivalent of “my uncle smoked and he lived to 104”. You latch on to any one thing that supports your ideology and take it as proof of your beliefs. You accept everything that your fellow ideologues say. Yet all round us the weather is setting new records. We trust science with the medicines and technologies we use but not with warnings that go against our ideology? The consequences of climate change are devastating - when will you wake up to this?

    You know the group that inhabits this website has been 100% wrong about Iraq and now climate change. One by one you will wake up to your inanity.

    Posted by finefurryfriend on 2007 02 02 at 11:03 PM • permalink

  70. Man, it’s goofy night.

    Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2007 02 02 at 11:06 PM • permalink

  71. 69. So what would have been “right” about Iraq my finefurry “Progressive”?  To let 25 million people continue to be virtual slaves while the richest, most secure people in the world vote themselves more fat entitlements and worry unduly about the weather?  That doesn’t sound too “liberal” to me Comrade. 

    And yes, I know.  Once we get the right people in charge with the right (actually left) policies, we’ll be hearing no more of this bother about the weather!

    I have to admit, it would be almost worth it (if it weren’t for the policies).

    Posted by Vanguard of the Commentariat on 2007 02 02 at 11:26 PM • permalink

  72. Geez, fff’s post reads like random parody, too.

    Posted by PW on 2007 02 02 at 11:57 PM • permalink

  73. #69

    Oh good, fisking practice.

    What possible evidence could you have that would refute the vast vast majority of world’s scientists

    Well, in my lifetime the vast majority of scientists in the relevant fields have warned me that civilisation would collapse through:
    1. Overpopulation
    2. Ice ages
    3. AIDS
    4. Mad Cow disease
    5. Y2K computer bugs
    6. SARS

    Nowadays I need a little more evidence than their say-so. Sad but true.

    All your garbage about what the weather was like in the middle ages or whenever is just the equivalent of “my uncle smoked and he lived to 104”.

    No, the point is that higher temperatures are not necessarily a bad thing. Also, that the climate has been changing ever since the earth was formed, with or without human intervention.


    The consequences of climate change are devastating

    Wake me up when you can show me it’s killed anyone and I’ll start jumping up and down and screaming like you.

    Posted by squawkbox on 2007 02 02 at 11:58 PM • permalink

  74. Well Fine furry friend i’d reserve judgement until the full report is released. The released report is just a summary written by bureaucratic committees which doesn’t always genuinely reflect the backing papers. It usually simplifies findings and is biased to alarmist language for predictions.

    Besides the latest report (from news reports so far) basically downgrades the best estimates range for expected temperature rise to 1.8 to 4 degrees (although they do have outliers which are a bit higher 6.4 versus 5.8, not really worth hysteria). The centrepoint of predicted rises are hardly doomsday and look within the range of variability that has been experienced in previous centuries. As well there is a significant downgrading of expected sea level rise (max 88 to max 59).

    All in all i’m quite happy that the report severely undermines the absurd Gore-influenced hysteria with drowned cities etc. Alarmists such as Flannery have to resort to suggesting that the IPCC is conservative (what the vast vast majority of scientists isn’t good enough for him?)

    Looking at press summaries the only significant change of the macro picture (and the emphasis of the hoo-haa) is the “very likely” human influence up from “likely” in 2001. Two points about this

    1) Until we see the whole report we can’t say what was the basis for this change or how many of the panel of scientists genuinely has this view.

    2) Very likely is not “undeniable” or “certain”. Ergo the debate cannot claim to be settled. If it was the report would have said certain. Also, by hedging with “most of the warming” there is another fudge factor subject to debate. Nice to see that the IPCC agrees with us on this.

    Posted by Francis H on 2007 02 03 at 12:05 AM • permalink

  75. And to add to squawkbox’s list, acid rain finished killing off the entirety of the world’s forests a few years ago. Small wonder we’re having a CO2 problem.

    Posted by PW on 2007 02 03 at 12:07 AM • permalink

  76. And weren’t all the world’s resources supposed to be depleted by now?

    Posted by squawkbox on 2007 02 03 at 12:09 AM • permalink

  77. It sounds like F3 just figured out he/she/it is not getting out of this world alive.  Folks like that think they have to take as many with them as possible.  It is a Jonestown mindset we should be very disturbed about.  Mind you, the age of the environmental suicide bomber is not far off as the two virulent ideologies of Islamism and environmentalism begin to not only parrot each other’s talking points, but adopt each other’s sick tactics.

    Posted by Vanguard of the Commentariat on 2007 02 03 at 12:20 AM • permalink

  78. Was that before or after the worldwide food shortages that killed billion?

    Posted by Art Vandelay on 2007 02 03 at 12:22 AM • permalink

  79. I’d also add that the emphasis on the “consensus” of scientists doesn’t usually include many sub-disciplines which would be crucial to making the science of global warming iron-clad. Statisticians are often scathing of the modelling and climate data reconstructions by climate scientists. And, particularly with the micro effects of warming (eg cyclone intensity, sea levels etc) there is considerably less consensus and more debate amongst the experts in these disciplines. The “consensus” view really only refers to climate modellers but by imputation is used to bolster the predicted micro-effects of warming.

    Posted by Francis H on 2007 02 03 at 12:27 AM • permalink

  80. #79

    Couldn’t agree more. To understand the earth’s climate properly, you would need to have PhD-level expertise in meteorology, geography (the real stuff, not the modern counting lampposts bullshit), oceanography, geology, physics, and statistics for starters. When you also consider the lengthy 50-100 year timeframe used by the global warming alarmists and the scope for error in even the best-designed computer models, the margins of error in their predictions become too big to take seriously.

    Posted by squawkbox on 2007 02 03 at 12:42 AM • permalink

  81. Yet all round us the weather is setting new records.

    You are absolutely right. Last winter Perth recorded its lowest temperature ever, not once but twice.

    You have no idea how hard it is to buy a snow shovel here in Perth, but now I’m prepared for next winters new records.

    Posted by phil_b on 2007 02 03 at 01:00 AM • permalink

  82. #73

    Eco-tastrophie hit parade:
    Insecticides
    1. Overpopulation
    Smog
    2. Ice ages
    3. AIDS
    Ozone layer hole
    Power transmission line radiation
    Cell phone towers radiation
    Nuclear winter
    Acid rain
    4. Mad Cow disease
    5. Y2K computer bugs
    6. SARS
    Climate change

    Upcoming:
    Pandemic
    Massive meteorite impact

    Feel free to edit

    Posted by egg_ on 2007 02 03 at 01:15 AM • permalink

  83. “Guys, why don’t you believe the science?”

    You be sure to let us know when the IPCC conducts a scientific experiment that proves their predictions.

    Posted by Dave Surls on 2007 02 03 at 01:36 AM • permalink

  84. Re: empty ‘buick-sized’ fridge

    Hypothetical stuff on Greenie sites re ‘empty’ fridges consuming more power than filled ones makes assumptions that filled ones won’t be opened (admitting room-temp air) and also ignores room-temp or warmer items placed inside.
    In the real world, an unused fridge (full/empty) shouldn’t use much power.
    The concept re damage to a fridge in turning the power off/on is in relation to transporting it, allowing sufficient time for the lubricant to re-settle in the compressor prior to re-energising it.

    Posted by egg_ on 2007 02 03 at 01:40 AM • permalink

  85. #84
    If he wasn’t on the ‘gravy train’, Flummery looks like he could give a Buick-sized fridge a real work-out ...

    Posted by egg_ on 2007 02 03 at 01:59 AM • permalink

  86. . Yet all round us the weather is setting new records.


    Um, that’ll happen sometimes. Where is it written that in can never get hotter in Peoria, Illinois on July 12th than it did in 1957? Good Lord. Hey, do you get The Weather Channel? Here’s a cool experiment you can do at home: Get a calendar, and write down the record high (it’s given during the “Local on the Eights”). After a month, graph the results. See if there’s a big bias towards the last twenty years. Remember, it’s Global Warming, and your city is on the globe.

    The consequences of climate change are devastating

    Really? What are they? Tell me what the world will look like in ten, twenty, fifty years - bet you can’t. You say it’s a devastating problem, but you can’t even say what the problem is. You just keep talking about the process.

    All your garbage about what the weather was like in the middle ages or whenever is just the equivalent of “my uncle smoked and he lived to 104

    So, you believe that warm temps would be catastrophic now, even though they weren’t then? Your statement is the equivalent of, “My uncle ate right and exercised, and dropped dead at 45. Nutrition and exercise are devastating.”

    Interesting you should hold the historic record in such contempt. That’s what the “hockey stick graph” fellas did, too - omitted the MWP and Little Ice Age because that data screwed up their pre-chosen conclusions.

    We trust science with the medicines and technologies we use

    If medical researchers and aircraft designers conducted themselves like that, we’d all be hacking up our lungs from tuberculosis while planes fell on us.

    Posted by Dave S. on 2007 02 03 at 02:15 AM • permalink

  87. Oh, by-the-by, furry - that report says there’s nothing that can be done. Why are you arguing with these eminent scientists? Pull up a chair, crack a beer, and STFU. You can’t have it both ways.

    Posted by Dave S. on 2007 02 03 at 02:17 AM • permalink

  88. #82
    Eco-tastrophe PIMF: in bold, too ... tut, tut.

    Posted by egg_ on 2007 02 03 at 02:18 AM • permalink

  89. “that report says there’s nothing that can be done.”

    Tosh.  Buy a surfboard, some sunblock, move to Alaska.  Enjoy.

    Posted by Dave Surls on 2007 02 03 at 02:25 AM • permalink

  90. Tosh.  Buy a surfboard, some sunblock, move to Alaska.  Enjoy.

    No kidding. They bleat about rising sea levels inundating the coasts, but can’t make the startling intellectual leap of imagination required to figure out that Alaska, Canada and Greenland will become fertile and habitable.

    We’re the conservatives, but they’re the ones who equate “change” with “catastrophe.”

    Posted by Dave S. on 2007 02 03 at 03:09 AM • permalink

  91. Of the 15 newspaper headlines mentions at the top of this thread, 6 refer to “man-made”.
    In these days of inclusion and gender neutrality, shouldn’t that be “person-made”?

    Like women are now “actors” (except at Academy Award time when they need to share in the spoils, then it’s OK to be an actress).

    I would have thought that “man-made” was totally un-PC, but then, I’m not totally insane yet.

    BTW - has anybody seen any empiracle evidence that “man” is responsible for GW? Anything definitive out there folks? Helllllooo….

    Posted by Bonmot on 2007 02 03 at 03:55 AM • permalink

  92. #73
    I remember the ice age scare. Must be the late 50s or early 60s. Think it was about the time that it was discovered there had been a cycle of ice ages. The climate experts of the era worked out that one was overdue. But like those crazy armageddon cults, they kept pushing back the date of doomsday until the pocket calculator was invented, when they were able to work out we were still in the warming part of the cycle.

    Sophisticated marketing has made global worming a bigger issue that future ice ages. We now have communists such as the Greens seeing it as a way to strike down capitalism, the EU seeing it as way to strike down the US and scientists seeing it as the biggest gravy train ever.

    Unexpected consequences of success for these people will be the collapse of the Iranian and Venezuelan economies, the mass clearing of forests as people in poor countries are forced back into subsistence agriculture when globalised industry collapses under the tax regime and no more overseas holidays.

    Posted by Contrail on 2007 02 03 at 04:25 AM • permalink

  93. What I don’t get is why 3F doesn’t just come back and make fools of us with his/her obviously superior intellect and argument.

    Posted by moptop on 2007 02 03 at 05:26 AM • permalink

  94. The consequences of climate change are devastating

    The UN attempting naked power grabs, money wasted on gravy train-riding “scientists”, deluded leftoids yapping off the ears of better-informed righties…yep, I’m feeling pretty devastated by all that, alright.

    Posted by PW on 2007 02 03 at 06:09 AM • permalink

  95. I remember the ice age scare. Must be the late 50s or early 60s.

    Here’s a good overview of the various cooliwarmachanging spincycles by the media.

    Posted by PW on 2007 02 03 at 06:12 AM • permalink

  96. BTW, since apparently CO2 has moved far ahead of all other ecological concerns, isn’t it about time we stop recycling? After all, the energy balance of pretty much all recycled materials other than aluminium is quite bad, so surely the reduction in CO2 emissions achieved by no more recycling would be worth the extra resources?

    Anyone up for that, greenies?

    Posted by PW on 2007 02 03 at 06:18 AM • permalink

  97. Adelaide Advertiser: Chilling warning on climate change

    Posted by Observer on 2007 02 03 at 09:15 AM • permalink

  98. “They bleat about rising sea levels inundating the coasts, but can’t make the startling intellectual leap of imagination required to figure out that Alaska, Canada and Greenland will become fertile and habitable.”

    OTOH the lefto-trash are probably (dimly) aware that their welfare checks won’t cover their relocation expenses in the event they need to move northwards.

    Doubtless, this explains their blind panic.

    Posted by Dave Surls on 2007 02 03 at 11:48 AM • permalink

  99. “Between 1400 and the nineteenth century there were a total of 23 documented winters in which the Thames froze over at London (or 25 if you include “more or less frozen over” years which are shown in parentheses): 1408, 1435, 1506, 1514, 1537, 1565, 1595, 1608, 1621, 1635, 1649, 1655, 1663, 1666, 1677, 1684, 1695, 1709, 1716, 1740, (1768), 1776, (1785), 1795 and 1814. (Lamb)”

    From Wikipedia.  Sez England had way harsher weather “back then…” also in the 1600s it was so cold all the plants and animals died and it was hard to breathe—because of the intense cold.

    Me, I prefer warm.  The polar bears, sure, we’ll need to shave them, probably by whomever shaves Paris Hilton’s vajayjay, but they’ll learn to like it.

    Posted by ushie on 2007 02 03 at 02:01 PM • permalink

  100. The main reason the Thames doesn’t freeze over anymore is not so much rising temperatures, but the building of embankments on either side of the Thames in the 19th century. Before then, the Thames in London was rather wider and slower flowing than now, and hence froze more easily.

    That’s my piece of useless information for the day.

    Posted by squawkbox on 2007 02 03 at 08:41 PM • permalink

  101. Six degrees?  That would leave next week’s temperatures below freezing, but save on my energy bills.

    I was prescient settling in Syracuse, NY.  It’ll be the South Beach of the North.

    I’m off to release some freon and burn some brush.  Just doing my share, no thanks required.

    Posted by MarkD on 2007 02 04 at 12:09 PM • permalink

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